Darragh McCullough

uh the industry and producers want to avoid at all costs because it's a it's an awkward conversation and it's it's not because they're not doing a good job and doing their best there are no good options when bird flu is swirling around in the environment and you're trying to protect a flock because if your flock goes down it's a massive cost on the individual farmer a massive stress and everybody wants to avoid that

But the idea that we can go on for, as Rebecca says, seven or maybe 10 years without needing a vaccine, that to me doesn't sit great with me.

I don't want to have to lock up my flock.

for a quarter of every year on average over the next 10 years and tell my customers that these birds have access to roam.