Dave Aronberg

Temple fucking suspended his ass, basically before I was even involved, because hey, asshole, you fucking uploaded it to your personal Instagram. What do you think was gonna happen, you brain-dead moron? Like, I'm gonna try and make this teachable moment. This kid's crying. He's like, I'm not anti-Semitic, blah, blah, blah, all this shit, even though there's past incidents that came to light.

And then he does a 180 and he's like, oh, I was a citizen journalist. I don't know who did it. I have nothing to do with it. He's just a flat liar, coward with no responsibility. I should have seen this next move coming. He is now actually trying to profit from this and he's playing the role of the victim. Zero accountability.

Blaming it all on me is like I've lost an internship that I work hard for and I'm suspended from school. Buddy, you upload a fuck the Jews sign to your personal Instagram from my fucking bar. And you're blaming that now on me? But this was about being a Jew in America. Other Jews in the bar. I'm a Jew. My parents are a Jew. American Jews. Fuck the Jews. That's what you said.

You fucking anti-Semitic piece of shit. And I tried to show grace. I tried to. You put your name out there. I tried to actually. Now I feel dumb to make it right. And now he does this video blaming it on me. You have to, this has to disgust you. And this kid's face should be ingrained in you, be like, this is what the face of hatred is. This is what the face of being a coward is.

This is the face of zero accountability, everything that's wrong with his generation. And this kid, now, officially, it should stick with him forever. And by the way, his parents, who I know have given the advice, nice kid you raised.

Yeah, Megan, he has more power when it comes to the purse. When it comes to Title VI of the Civil Rights Act, that's where universities get financial assistance. And that's where the federal government does have a lot of power. And the universities thus far have been slow in responding to the Supreme Court's decision.

Because there is a loophole that Chief Justice Roberts allowed that you can talk about race and how it has affected you in your essays. And you have universities like Harvard and others that said, OK, Johns Hopkins actually asked you that very question. How has race impacted you? Absolutely.

So universities know that as long as it was the Biden administration there, that the anti-DEI would not be pursued, that the Supreme Court's decision would not be aggressively enforced. Now there's a new sheriff in town, and I would think the universities are now going to start erring on the side of being more careful than they perhaps need to be because they don't want to get sued.

They don't want their Title VI funding cut. I think it's a tougher question when it comes to private institutions. I saw that Roger Goodell of the NFL said that they're going to continue with their own DEI practices of the Rooney rule to interview a black candidate for a head coaching position. They don't have strict quotas.

And so you're going to see individual institutions like Costco to continue to proudly have DEI. I don't think there's a lot that the federal government can do on that. They can, though, the federal government can wield a big ax when it comes to colleges and universities.

And Megan, I think a lot will be told when the Supreme Court rules on that case that came before it in December. This is the case out of Tennessee where there was a challenge to Tennessee's Republican-backed law that banned the transgender surgeries for women. young people, for underage people.

In fact, the conservative courts can be very skeptical of the challenge, meaning that they were likely to uphold the law in Tennessee. And I think that if they do uphold Tennessee's law, which is not just banning medical treatments, but also the hormones for people under 18 who are experiencing gender dysphoria.

And so if that is upheld by the Supreme Court, then I think all the other states will have their laws upheld.

Right. But if you can have a law that says that parents are not even allowed to let their children take the hormones, then certainly you're allowed to have a law that says parents are forbidden from having their children get the surgery. So that's why this case is so important. I think that the Supreme Court is going to resolve this matter for us.

And it looks like they're going to allow bans to take place.

Democratic socialists, Mike. Democratic socialists.

It's interesting, Megan, because they did make an equal protection argument under the 14th Amendment. And I think it is a legitimate legal argument to make that if the hormone drugs are available to juveniles who are not trying to transition or don't have gender dysphoria, but they are not available to juveniles who do have gender dysphoria,

And that is an interesting equal protection argument to make. And I guess then it's a question of do we as judges put ourselves in the position of being medical experts or do we put ourselves in the position of being judges where we defer to the legislators. And right now, the judges are saying the latter. We are not going to try to know what's best and put ourselves in the shoes of dockers.

We're just going to defer to the legislature because we don't want any part of this. And I think that's where it's going to fall.

Megan, she ran for governor against Andrew Cuomo in a Democratic primary, and she got 35% of the vote. That was a left-wing challenge. That was probably 34% more than she deserved to get. She's spoken out against Israel and seems to care more about Hamas than the dead Israeli children that are the victims of terrorism. But as far as on this issue, look, I am...

I'm glad that Mike said what he said, too, because gender dysphoria is a real thing. And I think that it's important to treat these children with compassion. I do agree that it's different when you're a child as when you're an adult. But at the same time, about 1%, about 1.5% of our country is identified as trans.

And I do think that a lot of the conversation we have is inflating that number to make it seem like they're in every corner alley, they're coming to get you. And I think that It's important to realize we're talking about a very, very small group of people. I worry about discrimination against them. At the same time, I hear you.

I think when you're a juvenile and you can't make the decisions for yourself under the law, that perhaps we shouldn't be allowed, children should be allowed to have that surgery. Now, the hormone blockers are a little different. I get it that parents should generally have the say in their child's health, and lawmakers may want to curtail that when it comes to this area. But

That one's a little more confusing to me. I just think it's clear, though, on the surgery that should be when you're an adult.

Megan, it's interesting you bring up 11-year-olds. As a prosecutor, we do differentiate under the law an 11-year-old from a 17-year-old. We're not even allowed to direct file an 11-year-old into adult court in Florida. You can direct file, obviously, a 16, 17-year-old. And so perhaps that's where it should be, where there could be different rules in place

for an 11-year-old compared to a 17-year-old. But I get it. I understand as a parent why you are concerned. I just think since the gender dysphoria is real, and I'm not a doctor that I just wish we could come to some sort of common ground on this rather than where we are right now.

Trump is hoping that the U.S. Supreme Court overturns centuries of precedent here and redefines the 14th Amendment. And he's got a 6-3 conservative majority on the Supreme Court, so it's always possible. But they liken themselves to originalists. And if you look at the plain language of the 14th Amendment, it says what it says.

Birthright citizenship is there, and if you want to undo it, you've got to amend the Constitution. Now, I understand that conservative lawyers are saying, well, this is like foreign diplomats. Foreign diplomats are not entitled to citizenship either. That's what an undocumented immigrant is, and their children, therefore, are not citizens.

But that's not the way that the courts have been interpreting the 14th Amendment for many, many years.

Right, right, because, yeah, the 14th Amendment has been interpreted since 1898 in a case by the Supreme Court that says exactly what we've been saying, which is if you're born here, you get citizenship, and the only way to undo it is to change the Constitution.

And as for what happens to diplomats and their kids if they commit crimes, according to my sources, which is the movie Lethal Weapon 3, I think, you get all diplomatic immunity unless Mel Gibson shoots you to death.

So, Megan, there's a couple of factual things since this is a show about facts. Facts first. President Trump says that we're the only country that has this. There are 35 countries who have birthright citizenship, including Mexico and Canada. Number two, I made a mistake earlier when I said that it was lethal weapon three.

And Mel Gibson, who shot the diplomatic community, was actually lethal weapon two. And it was Danny Glover who then said immunity revoked. So facts first. Appreciate that.

Yes, we are. So here's the thing, Mike, and everything that's said so far is right. President Trump's right that this debate stretches from the time of slavery and the 14th Amendment passed because they wanted to make sure the children of slaves are citizens because they're born here, they're citizens. And then later on in the 19th century, we have the question, does it include the Chinese people?

And that's when the Supreme Court ruled in 1898, which is after the ruling you cite in that case, Wong Kim Ark, that yes, Chinese too, if you're born here, you are a citizen here.

And I'm just coming at this from a legal matter where you have that Reagan appointed judge saying that if you make this argument in court, you perhaps should have your bar license revoked because the constitution says what it says. And therefore you'd have to get the Supreme Court to either overturn

hundreds of years of precedent, or you gotta have a new constitutional amendment that undoes the 14th amendment.

This is the case. But other federal courts have. I mean, the other federal courts have ruled consistently with that case. And until that case is overturned, then that's the law. That's the rule. But the Supreme Court. That's correct. That's correct. But that case has, through other federal courts, appellate courts, has been reaffirmed that way.

They have recognized that there's not a conflict among the circuit. There's no current conflict amongst federal courts that say- Right, but there's about to be.

So they're trying to exclude the foreign diplomats and their children. So if you are a child of a foreign diplomat, you also get immunity. And that's what they're trying to separate. That's different from a child of someone who is in this country illegally. they still get the privileges and immunities. They still get protection under the law. They still get due process.

At the same time, they get citizenship. So they're trying to carve out this exception from children of foreign diplomats who may be born here, but they get diplomatic immunity who are not subject to our laws. They retain the citizenship of the country that sent them. So that's the difference.

Now, if you want to try to say now they're all the same, that would be a dramatic change in the interpretation.

Well, Megan, of course, if that were the case, why did he dare Tom Homan to go get him? Why did he dare them if she wasn't living in his house? But OK. Right. So this is why pencils have erasers. The governor just made a little mistake and now he's doing cleanup on all nine to mix a metaphor.

I'm advising the governor to cease using his mouth to talk about this any longer because it's not helping him. I think, you know, there's a lot of emotion on my side of the aisle and a lot of anger. And I think that he just got caught up in the moment and was saying this stuff. Now, if he really is an undocumented immigrant living above his home, then he's going to be in trouble.

He's committing a felony. Well, you don't want to mess with a guy that even Mike Davis fears. I got that. So I'd say that he needs to backtrack and make it clear, as his aid is, that there is no such person living in the house. There's nothing to see here. He misspoke. He was referring to a friend in his circle who's legal and was worried about getting caught up in the deportation.

Only if they catch her there.

She's not living there anymore. If she ever lived there, I'm sure she's gone. You'd have to actually find her on his property. The fact that he said it isn't enough to prosecute him.

I think it's probably the latter. I think that he was trying to get some street cred by saying, yeah, come and get it, Homan. You'll get in my property over this dead body or something like that. You know how they say with the Second Amendment, you have to pry my cold, dead hands off this gun if you're going to get it from me. So I just think that was too much bluster.

We all need to tone down the rhetoric.

Thank you.

Thanks, Mike.

No, I'm the rare Democrat who did not lose an election this cycle, Megan. I decided not to run again. It's been 12 years, I believe, in term limits. So I self-imposed one after 12 years at this job. Also, I got married, as you know, and I wanted to buy a house.

Yeah. Yeah. So I went into the private sector and, you know, that it doesn't mean I can't do more TV and shows like yours. I love doing it. So I'm excited about the next chapter. Just means I'm no longer state attorney. More of a has been, but excited about what I'm doing next.

Well, yeah, that was a lot more of a campaign speak in which you sent a whole lot of a lot of something, but really not saying anything. And also the moral superiority, which even in that comes through is another like the way they lecture in there. I don't like politicians.

In general, like I think probably if you had 100 politicians room, maybe like two are like truly in it for the right reasons. But the moral superiority went like what they did in the election, which the way they all lied about Biden, his mental health for years. And then they waited. So there's no like she would never win elections.

Well, she'd never won an election, but she would never win a fair primary. That, to me, was their biggest mistake because who knows who could have come out of that. But it's lecturing people like they're angels, like they're perfect. They know better than anybody what's best for you and that we're stupid because we see what the Democratic Party does. And that's – it's just such a turnoff.

And say whatever you want about Trump. and people may say other i i feel like he's him and like even with these tariffs and stuff like he campaigned on tariffs yeah he was so then to be like what are you doing these tariffs and i'm like that because i'm in the stock markets like i want my stocks to go up but it's like he said he was gonna do it at least so they're just if you did authentic

and took the Democrats and the Republicans, to me, it's not even close, and that's part of how I end up voting Republican.

It's possible the Lord will give this to me. Maybe. Maybe. Well, there's AOC. Aren't they saying her?

They have no chance to win if she wins.

I mean, we already went down that road. Are they just saying she didn't have enough time or something? And you can't get over the fact she knew that Biden wasn't fit to be president, just lied about it. I mean, you can't get – I don't know. It would be crazy, but they're already nuts to me on who they put forward.

Yeah, to do it again would be insane. I mean, that's the exact opposite of what we were just discussing, like how do they get – you know, the typical male vote. I mean, that's the opposite. That's not going to do it.

It's quite the move going from her to me.

You got to start planting fake stories.

You got to do that and weed it out. I mean, that would drive me insane. That would drive anybody, regardless of. Whether it's the president of the United States, obviously different table stakes. But any CEO, any leader, you can't have that.

Yeah. You got to do that.

You narrow it down.

You would narrow it down.

Just do it with each of those departments if that's where they think it came from.

Got to do it.

Or maybe he's just sending it on his signal chat. That also opens it. She said back and be like, well, you guys are idiots and you're you're texting reporters by accident.

Well, that's the most unsurprising, like.

comment ever i mean they could have sent it to that same reporter in the atlantic and he wouldn't have said anything that's right but you very much don't want to send it to somebody you know openly hates your guts yeah so yeah then you're gonna have to live with it you're telling me it's uh they're they're being hypocrites that's not surprising to me at all not surprising at all here she is a little bit more on these leaks coming out of the administration me too here's thought three you've referred three people now to doj for criminal prosecution do you think they will be prosecuted

Yeah, try to scare him.

Yeah. I mean, it can't be. Obviously, it's a major crime at that level to be leaking information. It's also the last thing they should be worrying about. They're running the government.

I mean, to be worrying about internal leaks seems like there should be a better use of time, but you can't ignore it.

So I was very much on the side of you gotta let

small businesses decide whether they want to stay open or not like we're all kind of adults here and if you want to be open there so i hated the lockdowns um we we started a gigantic like uh fund for companies that were shut down we raised like 50 million dollars that's right yeah we covered that actually yeah so we were very much trying to help small businesses who were basically going out of business through no fault of their what do you think of fauci

i mean you i i see all the stuff that says he's a criminal he should go to jail he hit it i haven't delved enough i mean i my knee-jerk reaction on the guy when i see him is i actually find him to be believable when he like he's speaking on camera but you see all this stuff so i wouldn't convict him without any hard evidence you may be like well i have hard evidence but i think the whole lockdown thing was handled horribly

Yeah, which is insane. So then what is this, a giant cover-up?

Yeah, so that's crazy. That's...

Yeah, it's crazy if that's it.

Yeah.

I mean, everybody got pardoned pretty much by Biden, right? Like, for the most part.

So he's a supervillain to you?

Like he's the supervillain that you don't know is a supervillain until the end of the movie?

I think he's completely dishonest. You're not saying he intentionally launched COVID.

And then it happens, and then he's like, oh, crap, I got to do this giant. And he happens to be the guy who's publicly speaking about it. So it's... Basically two different things. He launched it, created it. I shouldn't say launch created inadvertently, but he's also the guy who's going to be in charge of controlling it.

And then you got this, he's basically running interference to keep himself from being the guy the entire time.

Yeah. It's, it's, it literally is a sci-fi movie.

It would – it's an insane full – and maybe I'm just naive in thinking like – You still trust the officials? Yeah. I don't trust a lot of officials.

I mean, Trump didn't know.

For the for the beginning, for the actual peak of getting along like he's he's doing a great job.

Yeah. I didn't know that people blamed him for that. I mean, that the vaccine was a way to theoretically. open up the country. They wouldn't open it up without that.

No, nowhere. I, that's when I moved to Miami. Like I, during the COVID, I was in New York, moved to Miami. I basically stayed there.

I was fake card city.

Where was that? In like obviously a zero gravity chamber of some sort?

Yeah. I'm like, duh.

Well, luckily, I work in a media company. I still don't know. That's how afraid I am. I'm like, ah, I never had it. But yeah, I just said we have graphics teams. So we just got a copy of the actual card and made fakes.

Yeah.

I wasn't so much worried. It's just like, I don't want to do it. I'll get the card. I was worried. There was rumors at one point that they were going to start scanning the barcodes, in which case. You would have been caught. The fake would have no longer worked. But yeah, I was traveling and working in a lot of places. You could, but no one looked at it closely. It's like, boop, boop, boop, boop.

To where? The moon?

No, I haven't been there. I haven't been to any of those spots.

Fine.

Okay, fair.

Yeah. So in this case in particular, to me. In a weird way, crystallizes some of like what I go through with like the politics, because I actually get to a degree the Democrat. Now, not him. And this is where I go on this.

I said somebody had to go, yes. Yeah, after the Signalgate controversy broke. Well, Signalgate was crazy to me, still crazy to me. Then there was follow-up that there was more to Signalgate with Hesketh, right? Hesketh. Hesketh, right? With like telling his wife and somebody, someone else.

Like for the Democrats and the guy from Maryland to fly down and meet with him and then make this guy the poster child, which I think most intelligent people can be like, this is a bad guy. He's not a citizen. I have no problem. I want him out. That is what we want out of this country. It doesn't matter the color of your skin.

If you're not an American citizen and you have this rap in this track record. And you've been deported.

Now, so I agree with all that. So it, to me, when I saw the Maryland guy going, I'm like, why, why is this guy, the guy you're going to take a stand for and fight for? Because we don't like, he's a bad guy, but at the same time, I can, all that research, I can understand it. Even with something like this, if you hit a thought, you got to hit, you got about a thousand.

If you're going to pick somebody and deport them, And if you just pick the wrong guy once with no due process, nothing, that's a major issue. Like you append somebody. I don't even care. Say they're an illegal, but they're like a great person and they're actually contributing. To me, just picking them up, getting rid of them, I'd have a problem with that. But you want them to have a hearing. Yeah.

Something due process. So where is that? I'm not sympathizing with Democrats or the guy from Maryland because you're using the poster child of what Trump ran on and we want him out.

He got a hearing when we deported him the first time. But when you're doing it mass after, you just can't ever make a mistake. So I understand that logic a little bit, just not with this guy.

And how do you do that with so many people? One of the things about politics, it's not always... the easiest thing to come up with like an answer because you got to run a country and it's backed up. So what would happen? But I do it. The Democrats constantly like, okay, this is an issue. I sort of the logic behind it, but you're not being sincere when this is your poster child, because it's,

Take out politics. There's nobody. You see this story a lot. All right, you can do this. You can go meet with him. Do you want him to be your next door neighbor? Right. Do you want him to be your next door neighbor or do you want him out of the country? If that was it, you're either living next door or he's deported. Everybody.

Exactly. And that is not that's based on his rap sheet. Nothing more in the gang stuff. So that's where they lose me because it's the find me a way to make sure we can get 100 percent. But that guy is 100 percent based on the on on the rap sheet and why this is where they put their flag in the mud.

Yeah, so I mean, to me, that's nuts. The Signal stuff is nuts. I don't know if that's why he's getting pushed out. It seems pretty late, like in the game. Like Signalgate, to me, sort of passed. But is that the point? That didn't draw as much attention? No, I don't think that's how – well, I never know how Trump thinks.

Like a credit for anything? Yeah. But it also depends on how you look at his mind frame, which I don't know anybody else will. It also – if he did it almost instantly, it could be viewed as, aha, we have accountability here and there's a mistake made and I rectified it instantly. So do you think – I don't know. Do you think it is directly – That doesn't sound like Trump.

To me, it's not even necessarily a legal issue. It becomes a little bit, for me, a human issue. In the sense of, I get it. They came in the country illegally. But that's our fault. That's our fault to a degree for not having the right setup. And if I'm having a horrible life somewhere else and I know I can get into this country and it's like, well, the guys before me... They were wrong.

Like they set this up and you didn't get in fairly. And you've been living a very productive life here and you've made the most of it to append it and send it. I'm not saying that's what we're going through. That just goes back to my you better be right. Like and I'm not saying that's the legal like we Trump may have every legal argument to be like, sorry, you're gone.

But reversing time to be like, well, you shouldn't have gotten in here. And even though you came for the right reasons, the American dream and all this stuff, now you're gone because the last guy shouldn't. That's where I get. So you just got to be right. And I don't know how to do it because he's right. The trials, the time, all of it. And it's just a moral issue that I wrestle with a little bit.

And even full circle... To the original, the guy, the gang guy who got El Salvador. Hearing how I feel, you just heard and you're like, well, I'm more right than you are. The way they've treated that guy has once again pushed me right. It's like that's who I want out of the country.

And if you're going to fight that, well, like you're losing somebody who theoretically get is more maybe center, almost leftish. But I want those people out of the country. So for the Democrats to again make a circus and just political this. What are you doing going to meet with this guy like. Yeah. That's what drives me crazy.

Do you think it's directly then single gay?

Yeah, I mean, it's a fair point.

That goes back to what I said. If you said they're your neighbor, there's a lot of hypocritical. It's easy when you're sitting in your white ivory tower to say your idealistic world of the way you want the world to exist. But when the rubber meets the road, they would probably privately say a lot of different things or do different things.

She's right. The Internet is filled with unhinged lunatics. But when you do this little outer space mission, that can happen. And I'm not going to like lose my sleep worrying about Katy Perry's feelings. But she is right. It's filled with unhinged lunatics.

I'm sure she's getting it all sides. And I'm not again. Like, what are you going to do?

But somebody like that, is so out of touch with reality because they've been a star and big. I feel like if you get a celebrity like that,

what one or two is going to have any grounded in any reality they're living in like a fantasy world so nothing is real um i'm actually surprised the internet can actually get to them i didn't know what are they on x checking like comments that surprised me a little bit certainly yeah so that that is a little surprising but yeah uh they're they're you get to a level of coddled superstar status where you just lose track of reality they go to outer space

Are you in that category? You're the very public strong.

That would be a pretty big 180. They just publicly, like last week, weren't they like, there's no, all the rumors are false and he's in great standing.

That to me was... By the way, that's why people like Trump the way he answered that. But he definitely took him to the woodshed. He definitely took him to the woodshed and probably said, if you embarrass me or the administration on a major level one more time, you're gone. I think he likes him and does not want to get rid of him. But he's clear, like, strike two has happened.

I think that would be the vibe of the conversation.

And that's a fair way, by the way, to talk to somebody.

I've had to fire people at Barstool who I like. But if you're just dumb and you keep screwing up, I'm not going to lose sleep over your incompetence as much as I want to keep you. I'm not saying that's Pete, but I'm saying – As a leader. At some point, it doesn't matter your personal feelings. If you keep screwing up, you got to go. What will get you fired at Barstool?

You really have to – You have to try. You really have to be super, super dumb. Very few things – Like, we recently teetered. There was a big news story. Like, there was a vicious rumor of an old miss, like, co-ed, slept with her boyfriend's dad. Went crazy viral. I remember, yes. Crazy viral. We had an idiot who talked about it as though it was fact. I knew it wasn't fact right away.

I actually thought we were keeping it off, but we posted it for seven minutes. Gets us in all sorts of trouble. This kid's a moron. Shout out, Nikki Smokes. No redeemable value, really, to us. But I do like him, and he tries hard. He's just dumb. That almost got him fired.

Well, that's the truth.

Yeah, he works for us.

Well, unless you're so stupid that you can't prevent it despite your best. Like, we're not hiring the secretary of defense. We're Barstool Sports. We're blogging and talking sports. So sometimes, you know, intelligence isn't necessarily a top requirement for us. It's being entertaining.

You ripped him.

Yeah, so like 99% of that, to be frank, went right over my head. Like, oh, my God. I may have been glazed over. The thing I know about- Back to Signalgate. Yeah, I didn't even know. I knew who he was, but the Signalgate's the one that caught my attention. Again, I think it's a delayed response. So your scenario of what you just laid out could make more sense.

I'll start by saying I am a diehard New England Patriots fan.

I love Bill Belichick. He's like my guy. He's brought so many championships. I know him personally. He lives on Nantucket. I live on Nantucket. I've met Jordan. So it's a very awkward thing to see. I also watch that show, CBS Sunday Morning, with the interview. It's like my feel-good show. I just like it. I like nature. There's some politics, whatever.

But for the most part, that is a drink your coffee, eat your bagel, feel-good show. So I was not expecting this interview. I was squirming. I don't know what to expect. I don't know what to think about it. It certainly was awkward. I've heard people say, you know, is she taking advantage of him? Well, he's taking advantage of her. He's sleeping with a very attractive young girl, 50 years younger.

I don't know why she's so involved. Like, I really don't. I've met her. She's nice enough. She's running the whole show. I've known that a couple months ago. How so? Every piece of Bill Belichick business goes through her. She is basically... She would act... If that was maybe not... in a romantic relationship and that's his PR manager or like an agent. Yeah. Nobody's blinking at that.

Like that happens. I'm sure a lot with celebs who were not going to talk about it. Now you combine it with bill Belichick, who's gruff with the media and generally always handles himself. It's just a very awkward situation. The age gap is huge clearly, but she runs the show. There's rumors, hard knocks for HBO was supposed to do a North Carolina. She shut that down. Um,

that's where he's the coach now yeah he's the coach there so it's just uh it's such a juxtaposition of a guy who seemingly had no media savvy but was always just straightforward no time for the media now having his life run by a 25 year old it certainly is eye-opening for a guy like me i also know i'm going to run into probably

them in Nantucket, and I'm going to be carrying my watermelon out of Stop and Shop, and I don't want it to be an awkward conversation.

Blame it all on me. But it went super viral. I mean, it's all anybody's talking about. Because it's just such a departure from how a sports fan, Patriot fan, everybody thought of Bill Belichick.

He's the greatest coach of all time.

Yeah, so I've seen a lot of people, like, he's wearing a holy sweatshirt. That's what he does. Like, that is his look.

He generally, if he doesn't want to answer a question, he grumbles. He says, I'm not going to answer that. He's famous for not answering questions. He's never media savvy. Him going on a book tour, which is what he was doing, seems like the last thing he would ever do in a million years. If she wasn't there... I would anticipate him just being like, I'm not going to answer it.

I'm probably the wrong guy to be like, yeah, all right, that's it.

He's he's rarely conducting interviews that he has no interest. He just doesn't care for the media or what they think. The thing that he said that was the most accurate is probably I don't care what people think about me. And clearly he doesn't. But I've never seen him. Defer to anybody. Like, that is the most shocking. Like, if someone else is speaking for him, that never happens.

The Signalgate, to me, was just you can't have people using Signal and basically sending war plans to reporters or their wife or any of that. So to me, that was a fireable offense. Yeah.

He speaks for himself loudly through his actions clearly and is always, like, a general and the commander of the room, really. So to see him basically give what appears to be control of his life to her is... Shocking.

Or ask after for it to be cut.

We get people asking, if someone doesn't want to talk about it, because people generally want to talk about what you are asking not to talk about, so we won't do it. It's strange. I don't agree with that. It was strange.

Like as I came in here.

Yeah, so I know them too. This is all like – and that probably tells you everything you need to know about how the family – and that's natural. There's a story that came out in the New York Post I think yesterday that she accumulated like $10 million of real estate very quickly. So I'm sure the family, based on that quote, is a little like, what is going on here? And it's just –

This is a guy that is not a pushover. He has built his reputation on being like a gruff kind of guy who needs everything particular and detail oriented. It's just very strange to see.

Yeah. Football. I don't even know if he was the guy.

Yeah, he was trying to, I think, be more like a gronk guy, but who knows?

Yeah, I'm like white knuckle in the table. In my years following Bill Belichick, I would say my knowledge of him, there's roughly 0% chance he wrote that. He just doesn't care generally what anyone thinks about him. So to go write that, my guess would be Jordan wrote that. The fact it is on the North Carolina website is insane. Right. It's just insane. It's shocking. Again, it's...

I'm speaking to all Patriot fans, Boston people. This guy, like, if you could have predicted this, people would say you're living in a bizarro world. It's just so strange in this long email. Crazy. The public statement. Crazy. But I'm not even sure. He knows that was written. He may not. He may not. I really don't know.

Yeah, so there's an adage in sports, winning cures everything. If North Carolina wins, people are going to forget this. Yeah. And North Carolina will be happy and look the other way. If North Carolina has a bad season, it's going to get very rocky. It is not, I don't think, normal for a relatively new relationship with this age gap, with the age of someone coming in running for

his entire life and like CBS and hard knocks supposedly got canceled because of her. It's, it's just shocking. It's just shocking. And there's all being fought and headlines and rumors and back and forth. And by the way, to Jordan's credit, she's going to say credit. She's not taking a step backwards. Like every time a story comes out, she's pushing forwards. Like she is, she is not a tame flower.

She is not running from this at all.

I think they're telling the truth. I just think she's in control in her mind. She's like, we said we're not talking about that. We're not talking about it. Because from the second I met them, the story has been told the same to me. She posted how they met a long time ago. I know, but... You think that's a front? It... Well, then they met through. So she's Fauci to you. She's a criminal.

She's like a criminal mastermind.

Yeah. I mean could he not? Could he not just get hookers if he didn't want – I don't know. I mean Anna Nicole, I don't remember. That guy was like on his death's door.

Yeah, he couldn't even get up. Like Belichick is still outside of this – seems to be normally functioning.

Yeah, maybe she's legitimately attracted to it. I don't know. The whole thing... The whole thing is- Makes you uncomfortable. It's just, it's stunning. It is stunning.

Yeah. I may have spoken with you when he went to the Bucs.

I was mad at him.

Yeah, but he's the greatest of all time.

Yes.

Bad. Awful. Not good.

He just stinks at it. What do you mean?

He's the greatest quarterback. Not everybody is born to be a great announcer. I just don't find him... to be good at announcing football. Now he's brand new. It's his first year. They gave him a gigantic contract, but he certainly didn't come out of the gates like a natural. Didn't he have all sorts of training? I'm sure he did for the amount they paid.

But again, maybe anybody can eventually become a good announcer. I don't know. It's not the easiest thing to do, but he just didn't come out of the gates. He's almost to me, too elevated. He's so great. Like the way he talks, but no, I didn't think he, he did not come out. all guns firing.

And again, it's his first year doing it, so maybe there should be some leeway, but they paid him a ton of money.

I mean, a ton. Almost $400 million, I think.

Yep.

In the pros, he played for the Falcons, Cowboys, and 49ers. Okay. Okay.

I think earlier in the season, a lot of people were saying early first round draft. top 10 pick. And then as they got close to the draft, it started sliding and you heard maybe end of the first round. Second round is probably what people thought going into the draft.

Yes. So the draft comes first round comes and goes. He's not drafted. Uh, not totally shocking. Um, uh, Mel Kiper, who is the draft guy expert, he's ranting and raving, he should go. And then round two comes, nothing. Round three comes, nothing. So he slid, I believe, into the fourth round.

There's, I think, six, six or seven, huh? Six or seven.

Shocking, shocking. And players who...

quarterbacks going who I think anybody would say well Shador is better than him not drafted and it became the story and it kind of took on a life of its own with people all over the internet chiming in why isn't he getting drafted for various reasons um that was the story so uh I love Dion he used to work for Barstool he's one of my favorite guys I've ever met There were innuendos. It's race.

It's this. It's that. To me, it was none of it. It was Shador Sanders and the Sanders are one of the great publicity machines of all time. Like Dion's heavily involved. Dion's saying, hey, I play in the NFL. We're picking what team we're going to. He's going to be the starter. He's this, that. So there's a lot that comes, including you could say a circus.

When you draft Shador, you're putting a tent on the thing. For NFL teams... There's nothing they hate more than distractions. They're like the most, everyone's focused. We don't need distractions. Having said that, if they think a guy can help them win, you could be a murderer and they draft you.

Literally. That's all they care about. But in evaluating, there's a fine line between, is this guy the guy? And can we win with Shador? And is he the franchise? If teams thought that, they would have picked him instantly. None of the other stuff would have mattered. But he was kind of in a weird area where a lot seems like this isn't he's not going to be a 10 year star. He's not Tom Brady.

And if he's not that, do we want him fighting for a backup job? Do we want microphones in his face? Because that's a circus. The last thing you want. That's what I believe happens. So if you didn't think he was the starter in a top five pick, do you want him in?

in your locker room creating a circus environment and he kind of got caught in the middle and that's when he dropped all the way to Cleveland now if you're Cleveland or any team dropping him fourth fifth drafting him fourth fifth round you're like you know what enough we're getting microphones he's not who we think he is you just cut him it's not the end of the world because you didn't waste the top draft pick if you take them early and it doesn't work you're stuck with them really because you can't waste draft pick

So I think that's what happened. All the other innuendo around it is garbage to me.

He must be friends with Dion. I mean, yeah. During the draft, he tweeted. Yeah, when he was slipping, Trump... I mean, Trump loves talking football. He owned a football team. He likes jumping in and these discussions. I think sometimes Trump just can't handle like having X in front of him. He's like, how are they not? He's like a fan and he's president.

Well, he'd be reactive. I feel like if he's not, who knows? I mean, I can see this still not happening. I feel like I see reports of things happening that never does. And then they'll jump on and be like, shame on you media for reporting this. So who knows? I looked, I just looked at X. It's the number one thing. Yeah. Yeah, shocking, I guess.

Oh, so, but I don't think he thought anything. He's like, oh, I'm friends with Dion and I'm going to, I'm going to say he should be drafted.

I like it.

No, I kind of like it. It depends what he's doing, but that's Trump. I mean, I thought it was funny.

I mean, I don't know why you'd bring in Kaepernick and what they're trying to, to me, I don't know why he didn't put the word races. That's what it sounded like. Racism. That's why I responded. That's an insane take to me. That just, The owners and the NFL are arguably the most competitive group of like billionaire successful people. They don't like each other. They want to win.

They would never collude. They never collude. If they thought Shador could get them a Super Bowl, they would do whatever. So to me, that's just an absolutely insane take. It's just when you're drafting guys, not just strictly talent. You're looking at all the things that are surrounding them.

draft pick this year it was cam ward as a black quarterback okay so it's like i mean then i read that um in the last three drafts including this year yeah black quarterback went number one overall yeah i so it's not it has nothing to do with race at all the nfl is racist what's that

When he says the Kaepernick stuff, he's going back to taking a knee and there were some teams taking a knee, some not. I mean, Jerry Jones came out. So he's going back to that. And by the way, there is similarities to me in the Kaepernick situation in which teams just viewed Kaepernick and said he's not good enough to have a circus following him. This is a distraction.

But I'll believe it when I see Tim Walz, number one thing on Tim.

And he's this huge media. I mean, he's partying. He's getting millions of dollars in endorsements and all this stuff. So it's a package deal. But if you're just saying, would teams have drafted him without? I mean, Dion, before the draft, is like, don't draft my kid if I don't like you because I'm not going to let him sign with you. Oh, wow. Well, he's not the first one that did that.

The Mannings did that. Oh, really? Yeah. Eli Manning, they said to, I believe it was the Colts. They're like, if you draft him, he's not coming. And they didn't draft him. So they bullied their way.

It was Eli went to the Giants instead of the Colts. The Colts had the first pick.

Mike Walz has left the chat.

Yes, at the end of his career. When he had no arm, he couldn't throw five yards. You were right. No. A Manning played for the Colts. Peyton played his entire career.

Was it the Colts? I don't know. Whoever... I forget now that you say it because Peyton played for the Colts. Wherever Eli, whoever had the first pick, maybe it was San Diego. Oh, wait. They're telling me Peyton played for the Colts. Peyton played for the Colts.

Somebody had the first pick when Eli came out and Archie Manning, who played in the league, did what Dion essentially did without as much pomp and circumstance that if you draft him, he's not going. And they didn't draft him. Wow. And John Elway has done it. So it's not – Deion just was much more loud in this era of endorsements and stuff. It's the circus.

And if you don't think he's great, I probably won't want him on my team either because I don't want that to be the focus of what everyone is talking about.

I think he's going to be great. So we'll see.

No, he is not. What do you mean? What do you mean my man speaker?

Worst franchise arguably in sports.

But they have the weirdest QB room. I'm getting deep. They have Deshaun Watson, the guy who had like 9,000 illegal massages. They paid him a ton of money. They drafted another quarterback before. They have a wild QB room. Wild. Very Cleveland.

I didn't see that. But no, he failed miserably in that realm.

Nobody connected with him. Nobody did.

All for news anchor makeup? Yeah. No one offered me makeup at all here.

Well, you can...

That's impressive. You've got to admit that is impressive.

Because a lot of people probably did that.

So I... As we unpack like an onion some of the things I'm interested in. I actually like the royal family. I think it's cool.

She did kill the queen. That's my opinion. I agree with you. I can't have someone marry into the royal family and be like, woe is me of all these attention or whatever you're getting from me. No kidding. It's the royal family.

Yeah, all this stuff. And then didn't they renounce their royalty, but they still want the royalty? So it is hypocritical to get into that situation and want nothing to do with it, but you do want anything to do with it. I don't have as strong of feelings as you do for her. I don't care for her. I wouldn't put her in a situation.

hate category of mine i don't like her i didn't see that interview but yeah i i'm a royals guy so i like the royal i think it's kind of cool the history the pageantry and just come in and kind of blow it up and then cry it's like whoa and she's a bully i mean the reports were uniformly from inside the castle that all the young women in particular who work for her quit in tears she so wore them down it was so nasty then when she started her own company similar reports coming out

That had to be an intentional move.

The intentional relatable.

It's like between two ferns almost, the way she's hosting it.

That would infuriate me as someone who's trying to start a business struggling because you can't fail. If you're selling – I don't know what she's selling. Candles? I don't know what she's selling. Jam. Jam. You're in the royal family. So to this head start that you have and then complain about working hard, it's like – you're in the royal family.

So to complain about, oh, the business, you don't have to, if you don't want to show up, if you don't want to do the schedule, you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. You're living in a, literally like a fantasy tale of, but the other, the host.

If you actually didn't, if people didn't know who was who. I think people will be focusing on the host and the expression. Yeah, it was between two ferns.

I don't hate her as much as you.

Boy, that's delusional. I mean, that's wildly delusional. Why? I mean, I knew he had the football thing, but he doesn't speak to a normal guy. He doesn't act like a normal guy. His mannerisms weren't like everyday guy. There was no part of him that connected to what... a normal guy is talking about or interested in.

Will that podcast have like crazy numbers because she's on it? Like, does she move the needle like that?

I mean, I actually, again, I think it'll be overshadowed by the interviewer who looks like on outer space.

And the makeup to no makeup.

Yours is killing it, right?

Oh, you're talking adding.

Yeah. So do you, well, are you focused on news?

Yeah. I don't know. Not sports. So we've always just looked for different things like that, that try to find something talented people and find things that I haven't seen necessarily before. So like.

call her daddy which I'm surprised I don't see the big signs around here yeah you found that yeah she went on to become extremely and I hadn't seen anything like that like it wasn't my cup of tea but it was like oh this is different and we've been very successful for that but it it's trying to get out of I guess a network sense it's like And I'm sure it would be similar with you.

If I see something and it catches me for more than a minute or two, it's like, I'm interested in this. That's a good start. We've certainly been wrong a lot. It's a band label for us, kind of like a band label, sign a bunch of little bands, hopefully one or two hit. And that kind of is the model.

We sign them for contracts. So it's generally like two to three years. So like a band label and not different from a band label, once they become successful, they're very difficult to deal with. Like then they want the money, they see what's going on. And so the talent business, Yeah, because once the talent becomes big, they don't need you anymore and they may be under contract.

But you got to they generally if they if we can't resign them, they leave. And we built a lot of very rich superstars in this digital age from Alex Cooper, Pat McAfee, a lot of people make a lot of money. And then we just got to refill the pipeline and find the next and never ends. And that sucks.

Yeah, we've done well. That bankruptcy thing, by the way, this was a New York Times hit piece. I did, but it was like my dad told me in college and I hate the New York Times. Anyhow, that wasn't a business thing. So yeah, we sold Barstool in 2016. 15% of it for about $12 million was the valuation. Then we sold it again for $600 million was the valuation. And then I got it back for $1.

And by the way, normal guys can see through that pretty quickly when you're trying to play the normal guy. I mean, I remember hearing that he was like a football coach, but even that was a strange coach, the story behind it. So it didn't really work out.

So now I have the whole thing again.

So it's been a wild ride.

I don't think I'm different. I certainly live differently. Things that I've always been interested in, like horse racing, Kentucky Derby's this weekend. I love horses. Love. So I would go to the track growing up. And now instead of being, you know, in the bleacher section or with the riffraff betting two bucks, I can afford to own the horses.

So things like that have changed, but it's still my core interest. I don't think I've changed. I guess I mean, a positive thing about Barstool, a lot of the people who started with me are still there. So, you know, that's your ride or dies. Yeah. Ride or dies. Or we just treat our employees like well. And I don't think anybody would ever say about me.

They may be like he's a jerk or he's blunt, but nobody would be like he's dishonest. I'm pretty straight in all my dealings with people. And that's helped get us. I mean, we've been around now over 20 years. So that's helped.

It's a cheat code. You go viral. I mean, I try not to because whatever you get in politics, people – and both right and left. If I – like I criticized Trump the other day because his line about the stock market is not his stock. It is. Like you have affected the stock market because of tariffs. End of story. It's – you can't say it's not. Like – You can't blame that on Biden. It's yours.

By the tariffs, it's yours. And if I say that, suddenly all the people who like me on the right hate me. They're like, oh, yeah. But it's like I have to call it how I see it.

Yeah.

I thought you were going to say like 250 million.

And, and that, that anybody, by the way, with a brain could have screened him for five seconds, been like, this is the guy that I don't know who they have in the party, by the way, that would have done that. But you could have screened him. And anybody could have said that right away. But that is one of the problem with the Democrats. They don't see that.

It literally looked like a spoof, like an SNL spoof.

I'm trying to think who on the Democratic side. I would be like, yeah, that's the guy that resonates.

The old Massachusetts governor, Baker. He was a pretty normal guy. Not only went to the NCAA, but I would say he was a normal speak-to guy.

I mean, he had a lot of things going. He was one of the worst candidates. The whole ticket was bad. Yeah. That's why they lost. But yeah, that is... And that's not even a political thing. That's just if you asked... If you just pulled... a group of guys out of a bar and we're like, is this, are you going to be friends with that guy? Most would probably be like, no, we're not.

So, and that is, again, it has nothing to do with politics. It's just the vibe he gave off.

They're off. The democratic party is, is lost. So, um, I don't it's interesting because I never I didn't even know that they were trying to speak to people like, I guess, me or our crowd. If you want to say that's like who Trump spoke with. I didn't even know they were attempting to do that during the election. That didn't seem like something they were interested in.

So I didn't know that was why he was brought on to do that.

Yeah, I remember the one when – I thought it was Kamala that asked her what kind of gun she had and she didn't answer correctly. But that's very politics 101. That's I mean, all the way back, the mayor of Boston was called like Sammy Sousa and all the wrong names.

Yeah. They pretend to play a character that they're not, which I don't know who gives them that intel. I think people would much more respect if you don't pretend to be something you are not.

I mean, you can't demonize them, I would say. They've been doing it for a long time. But if you're saying men, and when people are asking me that, I think they generally are talking like,

white middle class people working in financial districts uh there's a shame that that comes across of saying you earn a frat and by the way not all frats are good but wanting to make money want to have a good job want to spend money be rich all that stuff is not necessarily bad i think that has been a message that comes across like yeah we should be kind of ashamed of being a white guy that doesn't

I don't think what they fail to understand, that doesn't discount that a white guy like me or any can care about a lot of the issues that Democrats care about. But I'm also not really going to apologize for being like a white guy in this country who wants to have a good job, make money, go to college, do all those things. And that is a message that seemingly like you can't be both.

They've never like I mean, Biden all the way through. It felt like a lot of the issues they could blame and problems. America is always like our fault.

And we don't want.

Well, and they've said it, the deplorables and like, you know, if you vote for Trump, you're a Nazi and things like that. I don't know if that's exact, but things... No, that's literally what's been said on CNN by people like Don Lemon and his friends. And then it's like, well, you know... That's you're talking about more than half the country.

It's clearly then you should move if you truly believe that. And that's the messaging that we've gotten from them. And somebody like me who I'm always in a weird box because I don't consider myself political, but I'm talking about more and more like I could easily take out the candidates. I grew up in a Democratic household. My father, I've said a million times, hates Trump.

I am somebody who you would think would vote Democrat. But as I got older, especially like running business and doing stuff, they just kept pushing me, pushing me, pushing me to the point this election. It wasn't like I wasn't wavering who I was going to vote for. I was voting for Trump. And even I would still re-vote for Trump. No questions asked. That's how much I hated the other ticket.

And the fact that the U.S. Supreme Court has not jumped in already tells you that this is not an easy question where the president just gets unlimited unchecked.

Well, I'm thankful that there is a judge out there and judges in the appellate court who actually are trying to constrain the unlimited power of the executive branch, especially when you have these intelligence folks who apparently aren't so good at their jobs that there are people out there who were sent to this prison who are not gang members.

And so that's where the judge should be stepping in to at least to check the power of the federal government to make sure that they're compliant with a lot of people. That's a different story. Right. But still.

Well, I'm glad that he's targeting this dangerous gang, but I'm not glad that there are individuals who have been deported who are not members of the gang without any due process. And so I actually like the fact that there are judges out there who are trying to slow down this process to make sure they get it right. And that Alien Enemies Act is not absolute.

It doesn't give the president unlimited authority without any check. There's still Marbury v. Madison judicial review. There are still Article III judges out there. You keep saying that. Right.

the unitary executive theory, where pretty much the president is the most powerful of the three branches of government. And I get it. And John Roberts seems to agree with that, that he was the one who authored the immunity ruling. So it is telling that that same John Roberts is not moving to

protect President Trump from judicial review because he knows what the lower courts know, and that is the executive branch's domination is not absolute here. The executive branch does have power, but they are checked by the other two co-equal branches of government.

And this is the first time in history that Congress has stepped back and emasculated itself and given all of its power to the presidency, to the executive branch. So I'm glad that there are judges out there who are at least doing their job to slow down this unquestionable.

I don't know once they're in another country. And I do think he did wrong in that they put him on the plane after the judge said, you can't do this anymore. So they knew what the judge ruled. And they were like I said, they were playing games.

Right.

Correct, correct. And just because you're in international airspace doesn't mean the judge's ruling doesn't apply to you, or else, wow, that'd be fun. Every time there's a judge's ruling, you just send the people into international airspace and then torture them with whatever you need to do. Also, no, you're right. I don't know what the process is now. This is uncharted territory.

Now that they're in an El Salvador jail, and I don't know, but... You know, there is something that we haven't mentioned yet is the War Powers Act, which is of 1973, which does show that Congress has a say in all of this. Now, what's unusual now is that Congress has decided to give up their rights to say, you know, we're going to step back.

We're not going to have any power now, which is why I think the judges have stepped up more aggressively than Mike would have liked.

Right, right. I noticed that too, Megan. They're holding their hat on the torture because that's an infamous prison where they have been put, but not on the fact that they're in a jail to begin with. So that is something I must say. You must have found some sort of ambiguity in the law that would allow the administration.

to deport people into prisons. But, you know, this is a notorious prison. And I didn't like, I don't know what you guys thought, but I didn't really love the image of Kristi Noem standing in front with her Rolex watch in front of those. I just, it gave me North Korea vibes. I didn't like that the United States was putting out a propaganda video like that.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Did they just get let out?

Now, the contract expires at the end of the year. They have to renegotiate, just like any other contract. It's a pretty good deal for the administration, for housing them. But let's just hope that they get it right, because any person who's wrongfully detained there really is a tragedy, because that is a terrible facility, and you would hate for innocent people to be sent there.

And hopefully there will be some due process where they will have hearings. But like I said earlier, we're in uncharted territory here, and so Mike's guess is as good as mine as to what the next step would be.

Thank you. Thanks for having us back, Megan.

Well, good to be back with you, Megan, and my friend Mike. You know, Mike heads a group called the Article 3 Project. You can see it on his wallpaper as opposed to my background, which is of a St. Bernard. It's called intellectual heft. But you know, as Mike would know, Article III, which is the judiciary, does not define the judicial power.

And so the Constitution does not limit the remedial powers of the federal courts. And so you have Congress that could step in and put in regulations and limits. But here, the judge is doing what a judge is supposed to do, and that is checks and balances, Marbury v. Madison, judicial review. And the judge here is saying that

You can't use the Alien Enemies Act to deport these folks without more due process because, hold on, we're not at war with Venezuela. There's not been a congressional act of war. And so we're going to put a hold on this. And the Trump administration has...

tried to play games with it by saying well we are complying with your your written order but not your verbal order also when you came out with your order the planes were already in international airspace you don't have jurisdiction uh you know they're they're playing games with it and and ultimately it's going to be the supreme court that makes a decision here because the law is what the supreme court says it is so so far everything is actually going according to plan you know i have to tell my folks on the left to say hey calm down this is not a coup

This is actually the proper way to deal with this, where the administration appeals these matters all the way up to the Supreme Court. And they have not said they are defying Judge Boasberg's order. They're saying that Judge Boasberg's order doesn't apply because, you know, it was at International Aerospace. So as of now, I'm trying to walk people off the edge.

Exactly. That's why I'm trying to say that to the folks who are saying this is a coup. No, no, actually, because they are saying that they are complying or if he doesn't have the power, that actually is a legitimate argument they can take up to the Supreme Court as opposed to, no, you do not have the authority to issue a ruling and we're going to ignore whatever ruling you come up with anyways.

That's different.

Well, they're entitled to interpret the Alien Enemies Act. And here the judge is saying there's not been a declaration of war. And so this act does not apply, does not give the executive branch the authority to make. You're not answering.

Oh, and the executive branch has the ability to interpret that statute as it wants, just like the judiciary can say, no, no, no, you've gone too far. Article three gives the power of the judiciary to look at matters like this and say, no, this is our check. This is our balance.

You know who decides that, Megan? It's the U.S. Supreme Court.

Only Congress has the power to declare war. The executive branch does not have- Right, but this is something different. Well, remember, the Alien Enemies Act says declaration of war, or as you correctly said, there has to be an invasion or a threatened invasion. And the president doesn't have the unlimited, unchecked power to interpret that act to say, I'm going to decide there's an invasion.

Because if you give the president that kind of power, then Katie, bar the door, there is no limit to executive power now. That's where we are.

Megan, there are several laws at play here. It's the Alien Enemies Act, which we've already discussed, and then there are the conventions against torture. The ACLU is resting a lot also on the fact that this prison where they're sending these folks to violate federal law on torture. I don't think that's their best argument, quite frankly. I think the Alien Enemies Act is a better argument.

But because of these outstanding questions, the judge has a right to weigh in and to make that decision and impose an injunction. And then it goes to the Circuit Court of Appeals, which it did. Judicial review, two-to-one decision. They said the judge did not act improperly. And now it goes to U.S. Supreme Court. So to me, this is happening the way it should be happening.