Dave Cawley

She called her kids, who all seemed unenthused with her plan. They reminded her what had happened when Eric was overdue in New Zealand. This was probably the same. He'd turn up soon. If anyone could survive a few days alone in the mountains, it was Eric.

She called her kids, who all seemed unenthused with her plan. They reminded her what had happened when Eric was overdue in New Zealand. This was probably the same. He'd turn up soon. If anyone could survive a few days alone in the mountains, it was Eric.

But Rachel Marsden, the second of Marilyn's four kids, recognized a troubling tone in the messages coming from Eric's hiking friends in the United States.

But Rachel Marsden, the second of Marilyn's four kids, recognized a troubling tone in the messages coming from Eric's hiking friends in the United States.

Rachel told me she and her brothers, Marty, Jonathan, and David, all worried about their mother's emotional and physical well-being.

Rachel told me she and her brothers, Marty, Jonathan, and David, all worried about their mother's emotional and physical well-being.

Rachel had three kids of her own, the youngest only a couple of years old, but she figured her husband Jeremy could manage.

Rachel had three kids of her own, the youngest only a couple of years old, but she figured her husband Jeremy could manage.

Jeremy said he'd take time off work, so Rachel called Marilyn and told her she was coming too.

Jeremy said he'd take time off work, so Rachel called Marilyn and told her she was coming too.

Their flight would depart Melbourne at 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, August 11th. That would be Wednesday afternoon in Utah.

Their flight would depart Melbourne at 9.30 a.m. on Thursday, August 11th. That would be Wednesday afternoon in Utah.

You had to... throw yourself to the universe and just say, I'm getting on a plane and I'm going across the world to look for Eric. That's a lot.

You had to... throw yourself to the universe and just say, I'm getting on a plane and I'm going across the world to look for Eric. That's a lot.

At this point in our interview, Marilyn paused. as if considering whether she wanted to say the next words out loud. She then started telling me about something that had happened a few days before Eric went missing.

At this point in our interview, Marilyn paused. as if considering whether she wanted to say the next words out loud. She then started telling me about something that had happened a few days before Eric went missing.

Uinta Triangle includes immersive field recordings made in real outdoor locations. For the best listening experience, please consider using a good pair of stereo headphones. And if you'd like to build a better picture of the places we visit, you can find maps, photos, and video at uintatriangle.com. That's Uinta, spelled U-I-N-T-A, triangle.com. Find us on social media using at Uinta Triangle.

Uinta Triangle includes immersive field recordings made in real outdoor locations. For the best listening experience, please consider using a good pair of stereo headphones. And if you'd like to build a better picture of the places we visit, you can find maps, photos, and video at uintatriangle.com. That's Uinta, spelled U-I-N-T-A, triangle.com. Find us on social media using at Uinta Triangle.

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