Dave Dameshek

Also very strange and captivating and all the rest of it.

Your latest episode, pretty much all of them are, but this one continues the saga, the melodrama, cinematic as it is, Chauncey Billups, Terry Rozier.

I was going to ask you, what director, if this were turned into a movie, would you like to direct it?

I have one in mind for you.

Incompetent criminals.

That's pretty much every Coen Brothers movie.

Yes, alleged incompetent criminals.

Come on, damn it, Shaq.

Mind in my P's and Q's.

I don't want John Rocker turning his nose up at me next time I'm in the Peach Stadium.

That's right.

More sort of broadly, or I guess 30,000-foot view of this, does it strike you with this particular story that's unfolding with the NBA, the gambling, and sort of two legs to it, that guys at the level financially that these – I mean, it's a story old as time, but is it sort of like to invoke another movie like Heat, Tom Sizemore saying like, you know –

If you're an active player, that's one thing.

But the anecdote that I always go back to with this sort of thing is I was having a catch with Michael Irvin, name drop, in Indianapolis on the field before the Super Bowl, one Super Bowl week.

And I threw him a pass in the corner of the end zone and he caught it and he turned around to the empty stadium, to the seats, and he did his iconic pose to them where he puts his hands out to either side.

And I said, what is that like?

When you do something in life and then 70,000 people applaud you for it and he said, man, I've had a crazy life.

I've had a wild and great life.

There's nothing that beats that moment.

And it really is.