Dave Davies

And the family structure we're talking about, I assume, is not same-sex couples. It is not trans couples. It's a man and a woman, right?

A lot of this stuff, of course, requires affirmative steps by a government implementing a policy, which kind of goes against the grain of the classical conservative notion that less government is better. And it also is in conflict with a lot of these really deep cuts inflicted by Elon Musk and the Department of Government efficiency. Have these folks – I don't know. What do they say about that?

A lot of this stuff, of course, requires affirmative steps by a government implementing a policy, which kind of goes against the grain of the classical conservative notion that less government is better. And it also is in conflict with a lot of these really deep cuts inflicted by Elon Musk and the Department of Government efficiency. Have these folks – I don't know. What do they say about that?

A lot of this stuff, of course, requires affirmative steps by a government implementing a policy, which kind of goes against the grain of the classical conservative notion that less government is better. And it also is in conflict with a lot of these really deep cuts inflicted by Elon Musk and the Department of Government efficiency. Have these folks – I don't know. What do they say about that?

You say that they're paying enormous attention to trans people who are, of course, a small fraction of the population. But it's been a very politically important issue for the right in culture wars. Why so much of an issue, a focus on trans folks in the 2025 project?

You say that they're paying enormous attention to trans people who are, of course, a small fraction of the population. But it's been a very politically important issue for the right in culture wars. Why so much of an issue, a focus on trans folks in the 2025 project?

You say that they're paying enormous attention to trans people who are, of course, a small fraction of the population. But it's been a very politically important issue for the right in culture wars. Why so much of an issue, a focus on trans folks in the 2025 project?

Abortion is now in the hands of the state after the Supreme Court ruling. What does the plan envision for future policy on abortion?

Abortion is now in the hands of the state after the Supreme Court ruling. What does the plan envision for future policy on abortion?

Abortion is now in the hands of the state after the Supreme Court ruling. What does the plan envision for future policy on abortion?

And does Project 2025 have a coherent policy on health care? I mean, for a long time, abolishing the Affordable Care Act was a goal of conservatives. Not so much lately. Where is Project 2025 on health care policy?

And does Project 2025 have a coherent policy on health care? I mean, for a long time, abolishing the Affordable Care Act was a goal of conservatives. Not so much lately. Where is Project 2025 on health care policy?

And does Project 2025 have a coherent policy on health care? I mean, for a long time, abolishing the Affordable Care Act was a goal of conservatives. Not so much lately. Where is Project 2025 on health care policy?

Let's take another break here, then we'll talk some more. We are speaking with David Graham. He's a staff writer for The Atlantic. His new book is The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America. We'll talk more after this break. This is Fresh Air. You know, it's interesting. There's so many policy areas that are addressed in Project 2025.

Let's take another break here, then we'll talk some more. We are speaking with David Graham. He's a staff writer for The Atlantic. His new book is The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America. We'll talk more after this break. This is Fresh Air. You know, it's interesting. There's so many policy areas that are addressed in Project 2025.

Let's take another break here, then we'll talk some more. We are speaking with David Graham. He's a staff writer for The Atlantic. His new book is The Project, How Project 2025 is Reshaping America. We'll talk more after this break. This is Fresh Air. You know, it's interesting. There's so many policy areas that are addressed in Project 2025.

And there are moments where it seems that the authors are torn between advocating for traditional conservative policies and those in some cases that President Trump has articulated. They're not quite sure what to say. One of these is trade policy, right?

And there are moments where it seems that the authors are torn between advocating for traditional conservative policies and those in some cases that President Trump has articulated. They're not quite sure what to say. One of these is trade policy, right?

And there are moments where it seems that the authors are torn between advocating for traditional conservative policies and those in some cases that President Trump has articulated. They're not quite sure what to say. One of these is trade policy, right?

So this – the project advocates for a more aggressive use of executive power. But in this case, not quite sure what it should do with it.