Dave Davies

I think one of the most interesting points of this description is when he is being repeatedly tortured, beaten and tortured by this operative who is trying to get him to sign a statement making this false admission that he had betrayed his country. And at some point he realizes what his interrogator is going through. Tell us about this.

I think one of the most interesting points of this description is when he is being repeatedly tortured, beaten and tortured by this operative who is trying to get him to sign a statement making this false admission that he had betrayed his country. And at some point he realizes what his interrogator is going through. Tell us about this.

I want to move to the post-war era when Germany was defeated and it was clear to the Soviet leaders that their greatest rival would be the United States. They refer to it as the main enemy, right? So a new crop of these sleeper agents, these illegals were trained. and dispatched to the United States, typically going through Canada.

I want to move to the post-war era when Germany was defeated and it was clear to the Soviet leaders that their greatest rival would be the United States. They refer to it as the main enemy, right? So a new crop of these sleeper agents, these illegals were trained. and dispatched to the United States, typically going through Canada.

I want to move to the post-war era when Germany was defeated and it was clear to the Soviet leaders that their greatest rival would be the United States. They refer to it as the main enemy, right? So a new crop of these sleeper agents, these illegals were trained. and dispatched to the United States, typically going through Canada.

They go to Canada and then they eventually make their way to the U.S. One difficulty was that this life was hard on these agents, mostly single men, and would lead them to make mistakes or abandon their missions. You want to give us an example of this? You cite some of this in the book.

They go to Canada and then they eventually make their way to the U.S. One difficulty was that this life was hard on these agents, mostly single men, and would lead them to make mistakes or abandon their missions. You want to give us an example of this? You cite some of this in the book.

They go to Canada and then they eventually make their way to the U.S. One difficulty was that this life was hard on these agents, mostly single men, and would lead them to make mistakes or abandon their missions. You want to give us an example of this? You cite some of this in the book.

Another issue was – and this is fascinating that a lot of these agents had advanced education in the Soviet Union but they couldn't carry their degrees with them. So they would often get trained in blue-collar employment and then be sent to the United States in many cases, often through Canada. And then given instructions that were pretty unrealistic, right?

Another issue was – and this is fascinating that a lot of these agents had advanced education in the Soviet Union but they couldn't carry their degrees with them. So they would often get trained in blue-collar employment and then be sent to the United States in many cases, often through Canada. And then given instructions that were pretty unrealistic, right?

Another issue was – and this is fascinating that a lot of these agents had advanced education in the Soviet Union but they couldn't carry their degrees with them. So they would often get trained in blue-collar employment and then be sent to the United States in many cases, often through Canada. And then given instructions that were pretty unrealistic, right?

There was this guy who adopted the name Rudy Herman, right? He was a delivery man and what was his instruction?

There was this guy who adopted the name Rudy Herman, right? He was a delivery man and what was his instruction?

There was this guy who adopted the name Rudy Herman, right? He was a delivery man and what was his instruction?

Right. Well, I want to talk about the couple that we mentioned this earlier that actually were partly inspired the TV series The Americans. This was a couple that came from the Soviet Union to Canada and eventually to the United States and stayed for a long, long time. Their names were Andrei Bezrukov and Elena Vavilova, right?

Right. Well, I want to talk about the couple that we mentioned this earlier that actually were partly inspired the TV series The Americans. This was a couple that came from the Soviet Union to Canada and eventually to the United States and stayed for a long, long time. Their names were Andrei Bezrukov and Elena Vavilova, right?

Right. Well, I want to talk about the couple that we mentioned this earlier that actually were partly inspired the TV series The Americans. This was a couple that came from the Soviet Union to Canada and eventually to the United States and stayed for a long, long time. Their names were Andrei Bezrukov and Elena Vavilova, right?

They were actually recruited as college students from a university in Siberia, right, where they were both in school.

They were actually recruited as college students from a university in Siberia, right, where they were both in school.

They were actually recruited as college students from a university in Siberia, right, where they were both in school.