Dave Davies

I'm wondering what you are hearing from rank-and-file Democrats in Congress about this debate.

I'm wondering what you are hearing from rank-and-file Democrats in Congress about this debate.

I'm wondering what you are hearing from rank-and-file Democrats in Congress about this debate.

And there's plenty of evidence in stories you tell in the book that if people forget the MAGA base, they will pay for it. And so it's not just Donald Trump. It's the people who have come to believe. Right.

And there's plenty of evidence in stories you tell in the book that if people forget the MAGA base, they will pay for it. And so it's not just Donald Trump. It's the people who have come to believe. Right.

And there's plenty of evidence in stories you tell in the book that if people forget the MAGA base, they will pay for it. And so it's not just Donald Trump. It's the people who have come to believe. Right.

You know, people know of Steve Bannon. They may know he has a podcast, but it's a four-hour daily podcast. Is this right?

You know, people know of Steve Bannon. They may know he has a podcast, but it's a four-hour daily podcast. Is this right?

You know, people know of Steve Bannon. They may know he has a podcast, but it's a four-hour daily podcast. Is this right?

We're going to take another break here. Let me reintroduce you. We are speaking with Luke Broadwater and Annie Carney. Both are correspondents for The New York Times. Annie Carney covers Congress. Luke Broadwater covers the White House. Both of them were deeply involved in covering the last Congress, and they have a new book about it. It's called Madhouse.

We're going to take another break here. Let me reintroduce you. We are speaking with Luke Broadwater and Annie Carney. Both are correspondents for The New York Times. Annie Carney covers Congress. Luke Broadwater covers the White House. Both of them were deeply involved in covering the last Congress, and they have a new book about it. It's called Madhouse.

We're going to take another break here. Let me reintroduce you. We are speaking with Luke Broadwater and Annie Carney. Both are correspondents for The New York Times. Annie Carney covers Congress. Luke Broadwater covers the White House. Both of them were deeply involved in covering the last Congress, and they have a new book about it. It's called Madhouse.

How Donald Trump, MAGA Mean Girls, a former used car salesman, a Florida Nepo baby, and a man with rats in his walls broke Congress. We'll be back to talk more after this short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

How Donald Trump, MAGA Mean Girls, a former used car salesman, a Florida Nepo baby, and a man with rats in his walls broke Congress. We'll be back to talk more after this short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

How Donald Trump, MAGA Mean Girls, a former used car salesman, a Florida Nepo baby, and a man with rats in his walls broke Congress. We'll be back to talk more after this short break. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

You know, Annie Carney, you were saying that – I think you both mentioned this – that there were cases in the last Congress where there were Republicans who publicly towed the MAGA line and were good soldiers but that privately had serious qualms about it. And I'm wondering if you are hearing privately from Republican members these days whether they're worried about –

You know, Annie Carney, you were saying that – I think you both mentioned this – that there were cases in the last Congress where there were Republicans who publicly towed the MAGA line and were good soldiers but that privately had serious qualms about it. And I'm wondering if you are hearing privately from Republican members these days whether they're worried about –

You know, Annie Carney, you were saying that – I think you both mentioned this – that there were cases in the last Congress where there were Republicans who publicly towed the MAGA line and were good soldiers but that privately had serious qualms about it. And I'm wondering if you are hearing privately from Republican members these days whether they're worried about –

The cuts that the administration is making through Elon Musk and Doge and the effect of tariffs, are they concerned about what this is going to do to Republicans' popularity?

The cuts that the administration is making through Elon Musk and Doge and the effect of tariffs, are they concerned about what this is going to do to Republicans' popularity?