Dave Davies

Do you think that President Trump has a shot at getting China to buy more of that stuff?

So when you say solving this big structural economic problem, how would you describe that?

One of the things that I've heard about this summit is there's talk of establishing a board of trade.

I mean there's already a World Trade Organization.

What would this board of trade do?

You know, when I hear you say that there's this problem of China having this huge surplus of trade and it has to sell more stuff abroad in order to keep its industry going, employ its population.

I mean it kind of sounds like a justification for Trump's policy of tariffs.

But I guess the question is what kind of leverage do you have, right?

You know, there's also been some commentary that whatever their differences, the United States and China have to cooperate on AI because of the threat of autonomous AI systems that could empower terrorists to knock out electric grids or wreak other kinds of havoc.

What do you make of that notion?

They literally didn't answer the phone?

We need to take another break here.

Let me reintroduce you.

We are speaking with Rush Doshi.

He worked on China policy at the National Security Council.

He's now a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations.

He'll be back to talk more about the U.S.-China summit after this short break.

I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

This is Fresh Air.

I'm Dave Davies, and we're talking about President Donald Trump's summit with Chinese leader Xi Jinping with Rush Doshi, a senior fellow and director of the China Strategy Initiative at the Council on Foreign Relations.