Dave Davies

reducing bureaucratic red tape, modernizing service delivery, and bringing in critical tech talent. In other words, there were people out there doing the kind of work that Doge was supposed to do, how to get more for the taxpayer's dollar. Some might be skeptical of that statement. Can you give us an example of this?

The administration's response to some of the complaints that have arisen, I mean, have – is essentially that, look, extreme times sometimes demand extreme measures. Government spending is out of control. Musk himself has said, yes, we will make mistakes, but we will correct them quickly. What's your reaction to that? Do you think things could get better with time?

The administration's response to some of the complaints that have arisen, I mean, have – is essentially that, look, extreme times sometimes demand extreme measures. Government spending is out of control. Musk himself has said, yes, we will make mistakes, but we will correct them quickly. What's your reaction to that? Do you think things could get better with time?

The administration's response to some of the complaints that have arisen, I mean, have – is essentially that, look, extreme times sometimes demand extreme measures. Government spending is out of control. Musk himself has said, yes, we will make mistakes, but we will correct them quickly. What's your reaction to that? Do you think things could get better with time?

Let's take another break here. We're speaking with Elizabeth Linos. She's an associate professor of public policy and management at Harvard University School of Government. We'll be back after this short break. This is Fresh Air. You know, earlier in your career, I mentioned that you were a policy advisor to the prime minister of Greece at a time of financial crisis.

Let's take another break here. We're speaking with Elizabeth Linos. She's an associate professor of public policy and management at Harvard University School of Government. We'll be back after this short break. This is Fresh Air. You know, earlier in your career, I mentioned that you were a policy advisor to the prime minister of Greece at a time of financial crisis.

Let's take another break here. We're speaking with Elizabeth Linos. She's an associate professor of public policy and management at Harvard University School of Government. We'll be back after this short break. This is Fresh Air. You know, earlier in your career, I mentioned that you were a policy advisor to the prime minister of Greece at a time of financial crisis.

I mean, I wonder if you can share any of that experience that might offer insight into this effort to reshape the American government.

I mean, I wonder if you can share any of that experience that might offer insight into this effort to reshape the American government.

I mean, I wonder if you can share any of that experience that might offer insight into this effort to reshape the American government.

You know, something like 80 percent of the federal workers live outside the Washington, D.C. area. What might be the economic impact of these job cuts on communities where workers live?

You know, something like 80 percent of the federal workers live outside the Washington, D.C. area. What might be the economic impact of these job cuts on communities where workers live?

You know, something like 80 percent of the federal workers live outside the Washington, D.C. area. What might be the economic impact of these job cuts on communities where workers live?

Elon Musk and Doge claimed at one point $55 billion in savings. That's kind of been picked apart. Do we know how much of that is real?

Elon Musk and Doge claimed at one point $55 billion in savings. That's kind of been picked apart. Do we know how much of that is real?

Elon Musk and Doge claimed at one point $55 billion in savings. That's kind of been picked apart. Do we know how much of that is real?

Yeah, it's interesting. I've covered local government where payroll costs are a huge part of the government because you're engaged in direct service delivery, collecting trash and operating libraries. The federal government is different. I mean how much of the federal budget is payroll?

Yeah, it's interesting. I've covered local government where payroll costs are a huge part of the government because you're engaged in direct service delivery, collecting trash and operating libraries. The federal government is different. I mean how much of the federal budget is payroll?

Yeah, it's interesting. I've covered local government where payroll costs are a huge part of the government because you're engaged in direct service delivery, collecting trash and operating libraries. The federal government is different. I mean how much of the federal budget is payroll?

This effort is really just underway. I mean, it's been a few weeks really. Do you have any idea what to expect in the future? Where do you think this is going to go?