Dave Davies

Putin that Ukraine isn't even a real country. He's been very warm towards Putin. He's expressed sympathy with the idea that it was provocative to even talk about putting Ukraine in NATO. So I guess another question is, is Trump going to do all he can to shut off all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine and try and get allies to do the same?

Putin that Ukraine isn't even a real country. He's been very warm towards Putin. He's expressed sympathy with the idea that it was provocative to even talk about putting Ukraine in NATO. So I guess another question is, is Trump going to do all he can to shut off all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine and try and get allies to do the same?

You know, there's also the broader question of Donald Trump and his attitude and relations with Russia and Putin. You know, he's always said very warm things about him. Seems to think he can do a lot because of their personal relationship.

You know, there's also the broader question of Donald Trump and his attitude and relations with Russia and Putin. You know, he's always said very warm things about him. Seems to think he can do a lot because of their personal relationship.

You know, there's also the broader question of Donald Trump and his attitude and relations with Russia and Putin. You know, he's always said very warm things about him. Seems to think he can do a lot because of their personal relationship.

What's not to like, huh? We are speaking with David Sanger. He is the White House and national security correspondent for The New York Times. His latest book published last April is New Cold Wars, China's Rise, Russia's Invasion, and America's Struggle to Defend the West. A paperback edition will be coming out later this spring.

What's not to like, huh? We are speaking with David Sanger. He is the White House and national security correspondent for The New York Times. His latest book published last April is New Cold Wars, China's Rise, Russia's Invasion, and America's Struggle to Defend the West. A paperback edition will be coming out later this spring.

What's not to like, huh? We are speaking with David Sanger. He is the White House and national security correspondent for The New York Times. His latest book published last April is New Cold Wars, China's Rise, Russia's Invasion, and America's Struggle to Defend the West. A paperback edition will be coming out later this spring.

We'll talk more after a break about the challenges facing the Trump administration. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

We'll talk more after a break about the challenges facing the Trump administration. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

We'll talk more after a break about the challenges facing the Trump administration. I'm Dave Davies, and this is Fresh Air.

You noted recently that when President Biden agreed to let Ukraine send long-range missiles deep into Russia, Russia formally announced a change to its policy on the use of nuclear weapons. This is interesting. What was the change?

You noted recently that when President Biden agreed to let Ukraine send long-range missiles deep into Russia, Russia formally announced a change to its policy on the use of nuclear weapons. This is interesting. What was the change?

You noted recently that when President Biden agreed to let Ukraine send long-range missiles deep into Russia, Russia formally announced a change to its policy on the use of nuclear weapons. This is interesting. What was the change?

I mean, the other thing, I guess, is the buildup of weapons. And the START treaty, which limits nuclear weapons, expires, I think, early next year, right?

I mean, the other thing, I guess, is the buildup of weapons. And the START treaty, which limits nuclear weapons, expires, I think, early next year, right?

I mean, the other thing, I guess, is the buildup of weapons. And the START treaty, which limits nuclear weapons, expires, I think, early next year, right?

And of course, it's more complicated because in the old Cold War, it was the United States and the Soviet Union. I mean, the stakes were terrifying, but there was a stability to it. Now, you got the United States facing Russia and China that are increasingly cooperative with each other and with North Korea and with Russia. Iran. And the stakes and the methods of contention are different.

And of course, it's more complicated because in the old Cold War, it was the United States and the Soviet Union. I mean, the stakes were terrifying, but there was a stability to it. Now, you got the United States facing Russia and China that are increasingly cooperative with each other and with North Korea and with Russia. Iran. And the stakes and the methods of contention are different.

And of course, it's more complicated because in the old Cold War, it was the United States and the Soviet Union. I mean, the stakes were terrifying, but there was a stability to it. Now, you got the United States facing Russia and China that are increasingly cooperative with each other and with North Korea and with Russia. Iran. And the stakes and the methods of contention are different.