Dave Eggers

But the discipline, it's a gift to your audience to say, I respect your time.

I'm gonna make this tight.

It's like, not God is in the details, but there should be some equivalent phrase that's just like the gift of a very tightly edited work of art.

It seems at odds.

with the loose hippie magic of art to spend so much attention on constraint and discipline and leanness, but it does really matter, right?

Makes a difference.

Yeah.

This is the eternal question every day.

Honest to God, I've got, let's talk about like this.

I went to Kitty Hawk.

I love flight.

I love experimental flight.

I do a lot of different like weird stuff.

And I love experimental flyers, people that will invent a new jet pack or whatever.

So I went to Kitty Hawk to pay pilgrimage to the Wright brothers and the Kill Devil Hills.

and the dunes and I met this guy that teaches hang gliding and I learned some hang gliding and I just had so much, such a rich culture there.

They call themselves dunes.

All the teachers and these young men and he's the elder statesman and he teaches them how to teach others and they're all hanging out on these dunes with these beautiful brightly colored kites.

And if your hand glided a little bit, it's easy and safe to do it just on a hill.

It's just a kite, no machinery.