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Dave Plummer

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1147 total appearances

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

So I sent an email to the manager or to the owner of the place.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And I said, I don't know if you remember this, but 10 years ago, I picked up my car and I probably looked unimpressed, but I want you to know that I was very impressed with everything and the quality and everything else.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And he wrote back, he's like, I've thought of that moment often.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

That's a good point to jump in there too on empathy because there is some perception in the community that people with autism lack empathy.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And I don't think that's the case at all.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

I can only speak for myself.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

I feel fairly empathetic.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

But I think the problem is a communication one, and it works in both directions.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

Whereas I don't know how you're feeling, so it's hard for me to be empathetic with it until you communicate to me what it is you're experiencing.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And then once I know...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

Once I have an understanding of what's going on in your head, I can feel incredibly sorry for you.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

But until then, I'm going to assume you're going to handle it just like I would in your position, in my case, with what I know now.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

Yeah, be really specific.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And don't assume I'm going to pick up on clues and nuance and subtlety.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

So if you're trying to nudge me into particular behavior, you're much better off to say, Dave, this is what you need to do.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

So masking is, and it's probably not the right way to describe it, but it's the act of acting normal.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And that is how do I conduct myself in a social situation in a way that other neurotypical people are going to, or that other people who are neurotypical are going to receive and accept it the right way.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

And everything you do in a social interaction from waving my hands to taking facial expressions to tone of voice, to posture, to

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

It's a huge contrivance and it's work.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#479 โ€“ Dave Plummer: Programming, Autism, and Old-School Microsoft Stories

Yeah.