Dave Ramsey

That's what the handbook says.

But she was going to take a $10,000 loan from you to do a kitchen.

That's called help.

I know, but you had a plan where she was going to do that, so let's have a plan where her church supports her because her church's jacklegs are the ones that messed this up.

And you're going to have to get out of the habit of debt fixes anything because it makes it worse.

Because I don't want to give you a negative scenario, but I really don't want you paying a loan off after your mom passes away and you're paying payments on a kitchen that she no longer uses.

That would be really, really negative.

Can you imagine writing that check every month?

No, it's not.

It's just consumption, and it's just your sweetheart wanting to help your sweet mom, and I think both of you are sweet ladies, and I don't want her to get messed over anymore, and I don't want you to mess yourself over trying to be sweet, and so let's not do this.

Let's not step up in this trap.

I'm real serious.

If I was you, I'd go have a—and I've got the money to write the check, but in this case, I think this church has an opportunity to serve.

And I don't know how we got here, but seriously, if a recommendation came from inside of her congregation and they left an elderly widow in this situation, the pastor really has an opportunity to work with that person on their character.

Right.

Absolutely.

Because you just don't want to be on this list.

You don't want to be on the list of people messing with kids, widows, and orphans.

There's several things in the scriptures that you don't want to be on that list.

You want to be on the list of the people that help those people.