Dave Smith

I mean, Rob, what are we going to do?

Where are we?

Is there, is there a method for solving this?

But it's literally like, I mean, I don't know.

It's just like, you know, I, uh,

you know i believe in gravity and you go yeah you believe in gravity but then somebody else doesn't believe in gravity i mean what's the point of even debating this like i don't know we got like a physics department down at the local university i think they right isn't there an idea here that there's a system there's a science uh no i mean look this is it's obvious the reason why sam harris doesn't want to get into the history of it is because that might be kind of humanizing toward the other side and clearly what he's in the business of doing is dehumanizing them

that's the whole game it's like you know i don't know like you you you kidnap a five-year-old and keep him in your basement for 10 years and then he comes out and he's a crazy 15 year old and you go look at the other side's crazy you know and and you go well look you kidnapped him you thought i don't want to get into history well yeah obviously you don't yes i mean like if you get into the history you're gonna have to admit some uncomfortable facts like you

Israel ethnically cleansed a whole bunch of Palestinians in order to create the state of Israel that they started militarily occupying them after they won the 67 war and have been doing so ever since.

And as soon because as soon as you admit that part of the history, then you go, oh, wow.

Oh, OK.

You know, it's the same as like when they would go after 9-11, they say they hate us because we're free.

Like they would say that because that's a way for you to shut your brain off.

If someone hates you because you're free, well, then what are you going to do other than kill all of them?

But if someone hates you for earthly reasons, then you might go, oh, I get it.

They're a human being.

you know that doesn't mean they're justified that doesn't mean they're a good human being but it just means like oh yeah oh you ethnically cleansed a whole bunch of people and then brutally militarily occupied them for 60 years okay that's why they hate you that makes sense

And so Sam doesn't want to talk about that.

So he just goes, I won't.

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