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Yeah, you know, that's right, Rob.

And, you know, look, even when you said before, you know, you kind of said,

Well, Donald Trump's like, people voted for me because they trust my judgment.

And you're like, no, people voted for you because you said, you know, like you were on the right side of these issues that they cared about.

Well, in a way, you're both right.

You're just talking about different groups of people.

And we're kind of running that experiment right now.

We're running the experiment of like, how many people does this work on?

Like, how many people did what Donald Trump ran on in 2024 work on?

Oh.

Tens of millions of Americans, a winning coalition, enough to win the popular vote in every single swing state.

OK, how many people does this work on?

Not nearly as many.

So, yes, there are diehard Trump supporters who will still go with this.

But I think like you're hitting on a big part of the issue here.

Another part of it is just that, like, you know, there are these techniques that work