Dave Smith

Because people have differences.

Lots of people have different arguments about what happened historically.

But then what you do is you look to the firsthand sources.

You look to the firsthand accounts.

You work to historians.

You read books about this shit.

You make arguments.

Like, I don't know.

Sam Harris is making an argument against arguments.

They have a difference.

They have a difference in the understanding of the history.

Therefore, I won't debate it.

You have another history.

I mean, Rob, what are we going to do?

Where are we?

Is there, is there a method for solving this?

But it's literally like, I mean, I don't know.

It's just like, you know, I, uh,

you know i believe in gravity and you go yeah you believe in gravity but then somebody else doesn't believe in gravity i mean what's the point of even debating this like i don't know we got like a physics department down at the local university i think they right isn't there an idea here that there's a system there's a science uh no i mean look this is it's obvious the reason why sam harris doesn't want to get into the history of it is because that might be kind of humanizing toward the other side and clearly what he's in the business of doing is dehumanizing them

that's the whole game it's like you know i don't know like you you you kidnap a five-year-old and keep him in your basement for 10 years and then he comes out and he's a crazy 15 year old and you go look at the other side's crazy you know and and you go well look you kidnapped him you thought i don't want to get into history well yeah obviously you don't yes i mean like if you get into the history you're gonna have to admit some uncomfortable facts like you