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David Allison

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The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

Somebody once said to me, you never want to study longevity in an organism that lives as long as you do.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

It's a bit of a challenge.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

If you and I at our age were to start, especially mine, I'm a little older than you, were to start a big study and say, I want to study 20-year-olds.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

and give them different nutrition and see who lives longer.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

And that'll help me figure out for myself what to eat.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

I'll be dead long before the study is in and not be able to benefit from it and also not be able to find the answer.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

And maybe, you know, we want answers before 60 years from now.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

So, those are just a few, and I could go on and on.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

Those are just a few of the many challenges we have in nutrition, and I think we're going to chip away at them, but a lot of it's going to have to be settling for various rough inferences to say,

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

This information, I need to recognize its limits.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

I need to be honest with the public about the limits.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

I need to say, I haven't shown this unequivocally, but it looks like this is the most reasonable answer now or the most supported answer now.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

And I'm willing to accept that, but let's be honest, it's not demonstrated.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

Great example of that, you're seeing the feud in the literature now between Kevin Hall and David Ludwig on the use of crossover designs as an example.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

And crossover designs in which you give person, let's say, diet A followed by diet B, and you give other people a randomized to diet B followed by diet A, they have an Achilles heel.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

that is not there for, let's say, parallel groups where it's just some get diet A and some get diet B. And that is you can have what's called carryover effects.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

And it turns out, I've started to study this, tip my hat to David Ludwig who pointed the issues out to me and I hadn't fully comprehended them before that.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

There's almost no way around it.

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

Even with a washout between the crossover?

The Peter Attia Drive
#368 ‒ The protein debate: optimal intake, limitations of the RDA, whether high-protein intake is harmful, and how to think about processed foods | David Allison, Ph.D.

Not an absolute way.