David Bianculli

So how did you first come across this story?

You know, one of my interests was always in mutinies. I was always fascinated by mutinies. I think like a lot of people, because what makes mutinies so interesting is they occur in a military organization that is by its very nature designed by the state as an instrument of order, to enforce order. And so what causes these men or women or members of this unit to suddenly rebel?

You know, one of my interests was always in mutinies. I was always fascinated by mutinies. I think like a lot of people, because what makes mutinies so interesting is they occur in a military organization that is by its very nature designed by the state as an instrument of order, to enforce order. And so what causes these men or women or members of this unit to suddenly rebel?

You know, one of my interests was always in mutinies. I was always fascinated by mutinies. I think like a lot of people, because what makes mutinies so interesting is they occur in a military organization that is by its very nature designed by the state as an instrument of order, to enforce order. And so what causes these men or women or members of this unit to suddenly rebel?

Are they these extreme outlaws? Or is there something justified there? In their actions, because there is something rotten within the system or what is taking place. And so I was doing research on mutinies when I came across the account of John Byron, the midshipman from the wager. And there was also, just like today, this great battle over who would get to tell the history.

Are they these extreme outlaws? Or is there something justified there? In their actions, because there is something rotten within the system or what is taking place. And so I was doing research on mutinies when I came across the account of John Byron, the midshipman from the wager. And there was also, just like today, this great battle over who would get to tell the history.

Are they these extreme outlaws? Or is there something justified there? In their actions, because there is something rotten within the system or what is taking place. And so I was doing research on mutinies when I came across the account of John Byron, the midshipman from the wager. And there was also, just like today, this great battle over who would get to tell the history.

an effort by those in power to cover up the sinful chapters of a nation's past. And so I would come home from the archives and flip on the TV or read the newspaper, and I would be reading in our own society about these wars over the truth and disinformation and fake news and who would get to tell history and what books were being banned.

an effort by those in power to cover up the sinful chapters of a nation's past. And so I would come home from the archives and flip on the TV or read the newspaper, and I would be reading in our own society about these wars over the truth and disinformation and fake news and who would get to tell history and what books were being banned.

an effort by those in power to cover up the sinful chapters of a nation's past. And so I would come home from the archives and flip on the TV or read the newspaper, and I would be reading in our own society about these wars over the truth and disinformation and fake news and who would get to tell history and what books were being banned.

And I thought, this crazy, weird story is like a parable for our own turbulent times.

And I thought, this crazy, weird story is like a parable for our own turbulent times.

And I thought, this crazy, weird story is like a parable for our own turbulent times.

Well, David Grand, thanks so much for coming back on Fresh Air. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much, Sam.

Well, David Grand, thanks so much for coming back on Fresh Air. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much, Sam.

Well, David Grand, thanks so much for coming back on Fresh Air. It was my pleasure. Thank you so much, Sam.

Yeah, they had a sense that the country was falling away from them as they had come to love it, that the America they knew was disappearing. And they also came out of a sense of frustration with the first Trump term in which many of them had served. And they felt like this was really their chance to save the country and save the vision of the country that they wanted to implement.

Yeah, they had a sense that the country was falling away from them as they had come to love it, that the America they knew was disappearing. And they also came out of a sense of frustration with the first Trump term in which many of them had served. And they felt like this was really their chance to save the country and save the vision of the country that they wanted to implement.

Yeah, they had a sense that the country was falling away from them as they had come to love it, that the America they knew was disappearing. And they also came out of a sense of frustration with the first Trump term in which many of them had served. And they felt like this was really their chance to save the country and save the vision of the country that they wanted to implement.

This is a piece in a kind of Trump-friendly but longstanding conservative opinion journal, the Claremont Review. And the writer used a Latin pseudonym and he said that this is the Flight 93 election and that conservatives needed to charge the cockpit or they would die. He said, you might die anyway, but this is the only option.