David Brooks

A friend named Kate Bowler is a great podcaster.

She's going through rough cancer.

It's just sharing of a life.

Not to name drop, but the second most famous person who interviewed me this week was Oprah.

You're the first, obviously.

Oh, thank you.

Yeah, me and Oprah.

I get that a lot.

But, you know, she exudes a kind of warmth.

So I think it's really more the host who probably sets the emotional tone than the guest.

I think it's an intense likelihood that, you know, one of the great, one of the things that we're in a rough period, we're in a period of the last, especially what Trump said about Iran, about the Pope, all that is, I found it, it is produced in me and as an American, just shame, moral injury and shame.

It's felt brutal.

And yet the good thing is culture changes really fast.

So you think of the 1950s, it was a time of conformity.

It was a time of crew cuts.

And I'm now sitting at the...

University of Michigan in 1962, a bunch of kids from the University of Michigan went to Port Huron, Michigan and issued something called the Port Huron Statement.

And that began the 60s shift in the culture.

So to hell with that.

We're going to have personal liberation.