David Cohn
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The Israeli-Jordanian border is the largest of Israel's borders. And Israel works closely with the Jordanians behind the scenes to make sure that that border remains relatively quiet. So there's a lot of leverage there. And I think the difference with Jordan is that there may not be as much space but there's certainly leverage there.
The Israeli-Jordanian border is the largest of Israel's borders. And Israel works closely with the Jordanians behind the scenes to make sure that that border remains relatively quiet. So there's a lot of leverage there. And I think the difference with Jordan is that there may not be as much space but there's certainly leverage there.
Now, in the case of Egypt, the same is also true about financial aid and intelligence cooperation. And there's also Sinai. I mean, the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel returned to Egypt in 1979, is a vast, vast, vast space that can easily be, I would say, ring-fenced if you're worrying about terrorists coming out. I mean, there's a lot that can be done there.
Now, in the case of Egypt, the same is also true about financial aid and intelligence cooperation. And there's also Sinai. I mean, the Sinai Peninsula, which Israel returned to Egypt in 1979, is a vast, vast, vast space that can easily be, I would say, ring-fenced if you're worrying about terrorists coming out. I mean, there's a lot that can be done there.
Sinai has basically been neglected by Egypt since Israel handed it back. So, I think there's opportunities there. And then again, you know, there's 20 Muslim countries, you know, 25 Muslim countries. I mean, there's a lot of countries that can take 20,000, 30,000. And, you know, so I do think it's doable. It'll take some time. There's easy access out of Gaza.
Sinai has basically been neglected by Egypt since Israel handed it back. So, I think there's opportunities there. And then again, you know, there's 20 Muslim countries, you know, 25 Muslim countries. I mean, there's a lot of countries that can take 20,000, 30,000. And, you know, so I do think it's doable. It'll take some time. There's easy access out of Gaza.
You know, it's not like it's landlocked. So you don't need to bring in these, you know, C-130s To fly people out, you know, in terms of Northern Africa, you got the whole Mediterranean Sea and it's right on the Mediterranean. You can send people right off a dock on a ship, which carries a lot more people than an airplane. So I think it's logistically possible.
You know, it's not like it's landlocked. So you don't need to bring in these, you know, C-130s To fly people out, you know, in terms of Northern Africa, you got the whole Mediterranean Sea and it's right on the Mediterranean. You can send people right off a dock on a ship, which carries a lot more people than an airplane. So I think it's logistically possible.
So before we were ever talking about October 7th, you know, when I was the U.S. ambassador to Israel and I had as part of my marching orders to deal with the Palestinian populations as well in the West Bank and Gaza, I got a pretty good sense from people living in Gaza how desperate they were to get out. It's a terrible place to live.
So before we were ever talking about October 7th, you know, when I was the U.S. ambassador to Israel and I had as part of my marching orders to deal with the Palestinian populations as well in the West Bank and Gaza, I got a pretty good sense from people living in Gaza how desperate they were to get out. It's a terrible place to live.
I mean, it's under the most repressive radical Islamic regime, Sharia law regime, that people want to get out. And there's a lot of educated people in Gaza because, you know, oddly enough, there's so little to do there. There's actually a lot of people reading books. And so it's not completely an uneducated place and they want to get out and they want to move on with their lives.
I mean, it's under the most repressive radical Islamic regime, Sharia law regime, that people want to get out. And there's a lot of educated people in Gaza because, you know, oddly enough, there's so little to do there. There's actually a lot of people reading books. And so it's not completely an uneducated place and they want to get out and they want to move on with their lives.
So I would have said easily north of 50%. when Gaza was standing, when you had a place to live where you could cook yourself breakfast in the morning and, you know, walk on the streets.
So I would have said easily north of 50%. when Gaza was standing, when you had a place to live where you could cook yourself breakfast in the morning and, you know, walk on the streets.
Today, post-October 7th, after both the devastation that's been resulting from the war and the, I think, the hopelessness that the people have, that they'll ever have leadership that can bring them a better future, I think the number... is well north of 90% in terms of the non-Hamas terrorist sympathizers who would want to leave.
Today, post-October 7th, after both the devastation that's been resulting from the war and the, I think, the hopelessness that the people have, that they'll ever have leadership that can bring them a better future, I think the number... is well north of 90% in terms of the non-Hamas terrorist sympathizers who would want to leave.
I would say we're talking about probably a million and a half people at least who would gladly get on a boat and go someplace else.
I would say we're talking about probably a million and a half people at least who would gladly get on a boat and go someplace else.
Well, it's always a fear, and it's a question of where they go and what their lives look like. They've learned, unfortunately, a very painful lesson, which is that radical Islamism leads to misery. They've experienced that firsthand. Maybe before October 7th, they thought there was a way to be both a radical terrorist and perhaps have a roof over your head and food on your table.
Well, it's always a fear, and it's a question of where they go and what their lives look like. They've learned, unfortunately, a very painful lesson, which is that radical Islamism leads to misery. They've experienced that firsthand. Maybe before October 7th, they thought there was a way to be both a radical terrorist and perhaps have a roof over your head and food on your table.