David Cullen

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Good afternoon, Ciarán.

I think Cian's a brave man coming on the national airwaves, boasting about causing criminal damage and breaking the law.

For sure, no problem, Ciarán.

Sorry, if I may.

If I might actually clarify the situation.

There is a law, the Vehicle Clamping and Signage Regulations Act 2017, and to cut off a clamp is illegal.

It's not up to the private company to bring it to court.

It's up to the Gardaí.

And we have had numerous prosecutions.

You can laugh all you like, but there are numerous prosecutions.

Generally, just get a fine, slap on the wrist, the Probation Act, and then they go and try and get a visa to go to the States on holidays and find that they can't or

emigrates to Australia and they can't.

Now, the number you said yourself brought, say, Kildare County Council bringing parking fines to court is actually relatively small because it's all down to court time.

But we do, none of us would be in business if what you said was correct, Cian.

And it's utter nonsense.

It's not a civil matter, it's a criminal matter.

Well, it's not the authorities, it's Anthony Gardner at the time.

We at the Irish Parking Association have spent 22 years lobbying various governments to get rid of clamping.

Because the thing is, you might laugh, Cian, none of us actually want to clamp.