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David Duvenaud

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1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And it's one of these things where it's just I think it's a skill, basically having coherent preferences about the future.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And the more people spend time actually thinking about it, I think the more they would say like, oh, wait, I actually don't want to take my hands off the wheel.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

The default competitive future probably is missing a whole bunch of stuff that I care about.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Actually, I would push back.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I would say the gradual disempowerment paper doesn't really talk about human versus AI control.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It talks about the alignment of our current institutions and how they're going to become less aligned once AI are more in the loop and taking over from humans.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I mean, I guess to me, again, the question is not like AIs versus humans.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's more like, what are the idiosyncratic things that humans value that we don't expect to be competitive in the long run versus the sort of values of unfettered competition and natural selection?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like some things that we value, like communication and sites and memory, like we don't have to fight for those.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like whatever future beings are around are probably going to be able to see and talk and remember that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But idiosyncratic things like children's laughter or the family farm or the particular languages we speak or something are things that will be out-competed and replaced if we don't preserve them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So to the extent that any of us value anything that isn't going to stand the test of time, we sort of have to accept that we're going to lose those or try to somehow do this crazy task of aligning our whole civilization to protect these idiosyncratic, non-competitive values.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Sure.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So one thing is just that I think human politicians will gradually let themselves be more puppeted or like pass-throughs for things like ChatGPT.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And this isn't necessarily a bad thing in the short run.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

I mean, good politicians already rely heavily on human advisors.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I think machine advisors are going to be able to make our political decisions

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

parties and just representation mechanisms work better in a lot of ways.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So the politicians that use AIs just for normal everyday business are going to be more effective and we're going to feel like they represent our interests better in the short run at least.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

The other big thing that's going to be going on is I think people are going to be afraid of losing their jobs.