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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And there's this nice sort of grandfathered in class of like all the sort of cousins of the many princes or whatever who have these like sinecures, these like make work jobs.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And they also have like very little political room to maneuver, right?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like there's purges, there's like drama at the top.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And anyone who's making any sort of like problem for like Mohammed bin Salman or whatever is like probably going to lose their sinecure at the very least.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And then maybe like the example of like the same thing done well is like Norway, where there was like this like sort of strong democratic government and the government was able to commit at least in the short and medium term to like redistribute this wealth.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah, more the second one.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

The best example is in Canada, there was like a lot of lockdowns during COVID.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I think the public health people would have preferred to have longer lockdowns.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And the government was just forced to end them or like make them shorter than they otherwise would have been because they actually needed people to get out and run the economy.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Maybe another example is like in New Brunswick in another Canadian province, all lockdowns.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

private activity, like just people going for walks in the woods has been banned until the fall because of a fire hazard.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And like there's lots of forest fires in Canada right now, but industrial activity is still allowed.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And it's just so tempting for all sorts of like public health and like environmental and safety reasons to curtail people's freedoms and movement all the time.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And this is like always sort of just barely being kept in check by the need to have like free movement so that there's an economy and maybe like more concretely also

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

During COVID in Canada, there was this famous truckers strike where there was this like vaccine requirements across the U.S.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

border, which truckers didn't like.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And they basically formed this convoy that drove all their huge trucks to the capital and then just like sat there and honked for a few weeks.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And the point is, like in the future, no one will have big trucks, right?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

They won't actually like any means that they have for civil disobedience are just going to be much easier to take away than they are today.