David Duvenaud

Right, it's like take your kid to work day and then you're like having them do the surgery.

That's like how to be seen.

Right.

So at this point, there's basically no alpha in humans in the sense that it's not a good idea to invest in human capital in the way that we have like universities and these institutions that are like designed to sort of be human facing and human run.

And so I think anyone who's like an investor, like the capital markets in general are going to be saying, why are we investing in this stream of human capital that's ultimately going to be less competitive and provide less returns than the sort of more machine centric, fully automated solution.

Yeah.

So our main claim is that human control over states is actually already very weak in a lot of ways.

And this is obviously most true in regimes that we think are horrible.

Like think of North Korea.

It's like, well, clearly if the people of North Korea had almost any say in their government, or at least weren't sort of somehow browbeaten or deluded into thinking that what was going on is like good, they would have long ago changed their form of governance.

And of course, you might say that in the West today, we're in a much better situation.

But the overall thesis is like,

We don't have that much ability to control our governments.

And the reason that states have been treating us so well in the West, at least for the last, let's say like two or 300 years, is because they've needed us.

And in particular, because allowing freedom and like private property and basically self-determination has been the most effective recipe for growth.

Right.

And in fact, the ones that do allow humans to participate meaningfully will probably have a competitive disadvantage.

Yeah.

I mean, from the point of view of the state, think about what an unemployed citizen looks like, you know, sort of at best, they're going to leave everything alone and deal with their own problems, but they're going to have a lot more time.

And I think a lot of citizens would end up just being sort of like full-time activists and