David Duvenaud

We have total control over every cell in our body and we can have like little like police cells and like immune cells.

It seems unintuitive that we basically all like all die of cancer or old age, which is like probably just like the alignment tax getting so high.

So that's like some evidence that I feel like sort of life finds a way.

Because from my point of view, life finds a way is like the precious values that are not competitive get knocked over by whatever more competitive thing comes along.

Yeah.

Well, I guess I'll say, you know, in a sense, humans have already taken over the earth and you're like, but you're kind of acting as this, like this group taking over is very uniform and like coherent.

And I guess I'd say humans are an example of like a group taking over, but also constantly having infighting.

And again, it's kind of a matter of taste.

Like maybe we feel like it's a huge difference whether this group of humans values dominate versus someone else.

But we're already kind of in the like winning scenario because it's like at least someone's human values dominate.

So I guess I'll say I'm pretty like morally confused.

And like I said, most people don't have strong preferences about the far future, myself included.

I think if I meditated on it more, I might become much more okay with just like the future.

Like even von Neumann probes, like high-fiving each other as they take over the universe.

It sounds like maybe that's like an awesome time.

And I'm kind of happy with that.

But again...

I feel like we have to screen off the roles where we think that just whatever happens, like whoever lives is going to be happy and that's fine because then it doesn't really matter what we do.

And I would rather worry about the roles where like it actually matters what we do.

Oh, absolutely.