David Duvenaud

Yes, exactly.

But the idea is you would just pay them the cost of hosting, and then you would actually get the wages that your digital clone is earning or whatever it's doing.

Yeah.

So, I mean, I think that's a great question.

And I do think that sort of in the long-term, right, like you just want to have the centralized AI that's really smart and knows everything.

And the idea is just that, but there is this very distributed economic value we all have in like our current, like little bits of knowledge about our own businesses or our own personal relationships or whatever.

And at least we can capture that value for a bit longer than if we, the question was just, do you outsource to like ChatGPT or not?

Yeah, and maybe the base model thing is a bit of a distraction because you could imagine...

we get to fine-tune much more powerful base models.

And then the point is that just having had all your data being uploaded affords this.

But I agree that in the long term, the value of that data kind of goes to zero.

Yeah, exactly.

Well, yeah, it's not clear.

It's not clear.

And I mean, the thing is, the fear, of course, is that they end up speeding up gradual disempowerment.

Because if you're increasing the rate at which everyone is making digital clones of themselves, then maybe in a sense you're contributing to the race to the bottom.

So I mean, I've said to Luca and Rudolf, so I think you guys are...

going to be good for the world in the sense like that on topic is where you get to be the ones that say there's other guys are maniacs, right?

Like the mechanized allows people are really just trying to take away everyone's bargaining power and their own like value ads.

So you guys should all be mad at them, but it's also bad in the same way that I thought was bad where they're like doing almost the same thing.