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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

consolidating most of the private efforts into some government programs, which, again, I fear the government, and I think this is very scary for a number of reasons, but it's, I think, probably still barely on the margin of positive development.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So I don't think it's very feasible, but I want to mention in the Kickstarter spirit, if everyone else agrees, I would also think this is a good effort to support.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah, exactly.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And like basically harder to recover from if it ends up being captured by someone who like doesn't care about like various forms of safety or like the public good or something like that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So, I mean, definitely the fear though is that we end up with some sort of warning shot that doesn't

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

uh sort of unites people it actually actually polarizes people and so like yasha is somebody who's um like has discussed this and mentioned that there's a lot of disasters that look like social disasters where afterwards everyone can agree that something bad happened but they totally disagree on what it was and so maybe covet is a perfect example where you know half of people think oh man code was such a disaster because the public health people didn't go far enough and they didn't like control the

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

virus and people weren't on board with all the public health measures and stuff like that.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And half of people think COVID was a disaster because public health totally overreacted and the government had all these authoritarian pointless crackdowns that were so destructive.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And so we can all agree there's a warning shot, but half of us think the answer is dismantle public health and half of us think that the answer is strengthen public health.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I think you can easily imagine a lot of

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

warning shots where there's like, I don't know, an A.I.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

influencer that makes like some sort of destructive cult and gets shut down by the Internet.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And then half of people think that like Mecca influencer didn't go far enough and half of them thinking Mecca influencer went too far.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And so half the people think that like we need to protect future A.I.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

cults or whatever we call them and have the people think we need to shut them down.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Exactly.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Yeah.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Well, one thing I'll say is that I think tenure is delivering exactly on the exact reason that it's supposed to be there, is to allow somebody such as myself to work on some crazy direction that most people disagree with and maybe don't even have particular expertise in.