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David Duvenaud

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
1059 total appearances

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80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I feel like that's the biggest reason for hope, right?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So we're also going to have AIs that if they are to the extent that they're aligned to us and to the extent that they might have good ability to forecast what's actually going to be good for us, we'll be able to help us navigate this crazy world and help us choose the right means, help us tame our government.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

Like everyone who's sort of worried about this issue is saying if we have good outcomes, it's probably because these AIs are really aligned to us and are really giving us a great ability to deal with these like new scary forces.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So there's a couple of reasons to think that this might not be enough though.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So one is that coordination might still be hard and it can be the case that everyone can see that something bad is likely to happen and it still can just be very hard to coordinate not to have it happen.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And again, the classic example is like world wars where everyone can see maybe that like world war one is brewing or world war three or whatever.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And all our efforts to make it not happen kind of contribute to the problem.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I mean, maybe another simple example

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

of a sort of tragedy that we can all see unfolding is like companies becoming more bureaucratic over time.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's something that it's like we all see happening.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

We all know it's happened.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's happened a million times before.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's not really that much of a mystery, but somehow it just happens.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

So I think there's, it could be the case that there's just a lot of coordination problems in the world that look like this, that even though you can all see them happening, everyone's getting good advice.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

It's just so hard to address them globally.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

The other reason, though, to be scared is like it's not clear that states or corporations or whatever powerful entities in the future are going to allow people to have AIs that are truly aligned to them.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

And I mean, I think everyone agrees like, OK, yeah, we shouldn't allow AIs to help people build like bombs or, you know, be terrorists.

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

But, you know, it's also a question of like, well, what about like hate speech?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

What about I want to organize like a really effective protest or like a coup or something?

80,000 Hours Podcast
Why 'Aligned AI' Could Still Kill Democracy | David Duvenaud, ex-Anthropic team lead

What if I really don't like my government for good reasons?