David E. Sanger

Yeah, who had been on the committee in the 70s or the House Committee on the Assassinations. One of the church committee members was Joseph DeGeneva, a Trump campaign lawyer, and he was hopping mad that his Social Security number was out there. I mean, it was a huge mess.

Yeah, who had been on the committee in the 70s or the House Committee on the Assassinations. One of the church committee members was Joseph DeGeneva, a Trump campaign lawyer, and he was hopping mad that his Social Security number was out there. I mean, it was a huge mess.

The administration immediately had to say they were going to take the really unusual step of issuing new Social Security numbers, something they very rarely do, to the affected people. This is an example of, you know, stuff that didn't need to come out there. It doesn't serve any investigator.

The administration immediately had to say they were going to take the really unusual step of issuing new Social Security numbers, something they very rarely do, to the affected people. This is an example of, you know, stuff that didn't need to come out there. It doesn't serve any investigator.

But the speed of which they were moving and the directive, remove all the redactions, you know, led to some second-order effects.

But the speed of which they were moving and the directive, remove all the redactions, you know, led to some second-order effects.

Well, one of the most interesting documents, which was titled CIA Reorganization, was from Arthur Schlesinger, a key aide to John Kennedy. This document had been out before, but what was hidden from view and is now apparent is the pure depth of the CIA spy work in France. You know, half of the embassy in France was CIA officers, not diplomats.

Well, one of the most interesting documents, which was titled CIA Reorganization, was from Arthur Schlesinger, a key aide to John Kennedy. This document had been out before, but what was hidden from view and is now apparent is the pure depth of the CIA spy work in France. You know, half of the embassy in France was CIA officers, not diplomats.

Yeah, and this is the larger point of this memo, which is that the CIA is taking over U.S. foreign policy. It's out of the control of the president and the secretary of state because the CIA's role has grown too big. This is the kind of information the CIA keeps secret even today. How many people they have overseas, where they're stationed, how many officers are in each embassy. Yeah.

Yeah, and this is the larger point of this memo, which is that the CIA is taking over U.S. foreign policy. It's out of the control of the president and the secretary of state because the CIA's role has grown too big. This is the kind of information the CIA keeps secret even today. How many people they have overseas, where they're stationed, how many officers are in each embassy. Yeah.

And so you can see why when President Trump in his first term released these documents, this information was redacted. Even though it was old, this goes to how they operate. And they really like to keep those secrets out of the view of the public.

And so you can see why when President Trump in his first term released these documents, this information was redacted. Even though it was old, this goes to how they operate. And they really like to keep those secrets out of the view of the public.

That's right, Michael. This is a piece of evidence about the tensions between the CIA and the Kennedy administration. They did not like this idea of unchecked intelligence power. And That becomes the kernel of many conspiracy theories about why the CIA had it out for Kennedy.

That's right, Michael. This is a piece of evidence about the tensions between the CIA and the Kennedy administration. They did not like this idea of unchecked intelligence power. And That becomes the kernel of many conspiracy theories about why the CIA had it out for Kennedy.

From the beginning here, you can see the origins of this deep state idea that there is powers within the government that are operating without the regular checks and balances, without the direct control, the direct knowledge of the president. That makes any president nervous and... We can see that blossom generations later with President Trump.

From the beginning here, you can see the origins of this deep state idea that there is powers within the government that are operating without the regular checks and balances, without the direct control, the direct knowledge of the president. That makes any president nervous and... We can see that blossom generations later with President Trump.

Well, there's another document that was written for William Colby, who was the CIA director in the 1970s. He asked an aide to look into activities the CIA was up to that, quote, exceeded the charter.

Well, there's another document that was written for William Colby, who was the CIA director in the 1970s. He asked an aide to look into activities the CIA was up to that, quote, exceeded the charter.

Yeah. What he means there is the CIA is not supposed to operate in the United States. There are specific guidelines in terms of what the CIA does overseas. If the president doesn't directly authorize it, you're not supposed to do it. And there's clearly a belief there. by some around Colby that the agency had gone too far.

Yeah. What he means there is the CIA is not supposed to operate in the United States. There are specific guidelines in terms of what the CIA does overseas. If the president doesn't directly authorize it, you're not supposed to do it. And there's clearly a belief there. by some around Colby that the agency had gone too far.