David Eagleman

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Yeah, great. I mean, the thing is, when you look across the animal kingdom, you find these rivaling networks everywhere. So just as an example, you take a mouse, you put it in a maze, and you put cheese at the end, and you can put a little harness on the mouse and measure how much he's pulling towards the cheese.

Yeah, great. I mean, the thing is, when you look across the animal kingdom, you find these rivaling networks everywhere. So just as an example, you take a mouse, you put it in a maze, and you put cheese at the end, and you can put a little harness on the mouse and measure how much he's pulling towards the cheese.

Yeah, great. I mean, the thing is, when you look across the animal kingdom, you find these rivaling networks everywhere. So just as an example, you take a mouse, you put it in a maze, and you put cheese at the end, and you can put a little harness on the mouse and measure how much he's pulling towards the cheese.

Then what you can do is switch it where instead of a piece of cheese, you have an electrical shock at the end. and you can put the harness on and measure how hard he pulls away from the electrical shock.

Then what you can do is switch it where instead of a piece of cheese, you have an electrical shock at the end. and you can put the harness on and measure how hard he pulls away from the electrical shock.

Then what you can do is switch it where instead of a piece of cheese, you have an electrical shock at the end. and you can put the harness on and measure how hard he pulls away from the electrical shock.

Now what you do is you put a piece of cheese and an electrical shock at the end of the thing, and the poor little mouse gets stuck halfway and turns and turns and turns at exactly the place where the two vectors cancel out, which is to say he's running both networks. He gets the cheese and avoids the shock, and he gets stuck there in the middle. You see this across animals.

Now what you do is you put a piece of cheese and an electrical shock at the end of the thing, and the poor little mouse gets stuck halfway and turns and turns and turns at exactly the place where the two vectors cancel out, which is to say he's running both networks. He gets the cheese and avoids the shock, and he gets stuck there in the middle. You see this across animals.

Now what you do is you put a piece of cheese and an electrical shock at the end of the thing, and the poor little mouse gets stuck halfway and turns and turns and turns at exactly the place where the two vectors cancel out, which is to say he's running both networks. He gets the cheese and avoids the shock, and he gets stuck there in the middle. You see this across animals.

The approach avoidance conflict. Yeah, exactly. It's the conflict part. Okay, take another example. The stickleback is a bird that will attack things that are red. And if you give it something, what's that? Fish. Oh, fish, right. Yeah. No, wait. Stickleback? Stickleback gull. Wait, what's the? Oh, it's a bird. It's a gull? It's a bird, yeah. Okay, because there's a stickleback fish too. Okay.

The approach avoidance conflict. Yeah, exactly. It's the conflict part. Okay, take another example. The stickleback is a bird that will attack things that are red. And if you give it something, what's that? Fish. Oh, fish, right. Yeah. No, wait. Stickleback? Stickleback gull. Wait, what's the? Oh, it's a bird. It's a gull? It's a bird, yeah. Okay, because there's a stickleback fish too. Okay.

The approach avoidance conflict. Yeah, exactly. It's the conflict part. Okay, take another example. The stickleback is a bird that will attack things that are red. And if you give it something, what's that? Fish. Oh, fish, right. Yeah. No, wait. Stickleback? Stickleback gull. Wait, what's the? Oh, it's a bird. It's a gull? It's a bird, yeah. Okay, because there's a stickleback fish too. Okay.

Yeah, this is a bird. I'm 99% sure I got the name right. Stickleback gull. Okay, okay. Okay, it'll attack things that are red. It will sit on anything that's egg-shaped. It'll sit on it. So if you put a red dot on an egg, it'll both sit on it and attack it at the same time. Okay, what these represent are rivaling networks, right?

Yeah, this is a bird. I'm 99% sure I got the name right. Stickleback gull. Okay, okay. Okay, it'll attack things that are red. It will sit on anything that's egg-shaped. It'll sit on it. So if you put a red dot on an egg, it'll both sit on it and attack it at the same time. Okay, what these represent are rivaling networks, right?

Yeah, this is a bird. I'm 99% sure I got the name right. Stickleback gull. Okay, okay. Okay, it'll attack things that are red. It will sit on anything that's egg-shaped. It'll sit on it. So if you put a red dot on an egg, it'll both sit on it and attack it at the same time. Okay, what these represent are rivaling networks, right?

Okay, here's where I think the role of consciousness is, is in mediating this. And this is what we've gotten better and better at. And so when we have rivaling networks in a novel context... Well, that would be a novel context, right?

Okay, here's where I think the role of consciousness is, is in mediating this. And this is what we've gotten better and better at. And so when we have rivaling networks in a novel context... Well, that would be a novel context, right?