David Epstein

Totally.

And there's also all this research that people, you know, when they retire, all these like rates of dementia and things like this are not as cognitively engaged anymore go up.

And I think, I'm not planning on ever retiring.

But I think if someone's going to retire, like, fine, take that vacation, but... Replace it with something.

Replace it with something.

That's right.

There's this, I cite this research in the book from Sweden where they look at antidepressants being dispensed throughout the country.

And one of the things they find is that when more people in the country are on vacation at once, antidepressant dispensing goes way down.

But it's true among retirees too.

It didn't matter.

They were already on vacation essentially.

But the fact is it's when lots of people are doing it at the same time, it's like social control of time that has a well-being benefit for everyone.

Whereas the opposite was in the Soviet Union when they tried to, in order to keep factories running all the time, individualize everyone's work time.

routine so that people in the same family are on the same block.

It wasn't like five days of work and two-day weekend.

They did all these different four days of work, one-day weekend cycles that were different for everybody, and it desynchronized everyone's schedule, and it was a social disaster.

But that's often what we're doing to ourselves, I think, right?

I remember when Mark Zuckerberg first advertised the metaverse, and he was like, it's going to be amazing.

Everyone's going to live in their own universe, tailored just for them.

I'm like, that actually sounds like hell.