David George

It's self-evident.

It wasn't self-evident all along.

He actually wasn't even the CEO.

He became the CEO later.

But he started the open source project.

Yeah, he was one of seven.

So he was not the CEO.

There was a much more established guy who we've partnered with on a lot of companies.

He's been a co-founder of a lot of companies.

Great companies have come out of his lab, Jan Stojka and Berkeley.

The thing that I like about these technical terminators is they start technical...

And then you never know if these people are going to become commercially minded, excellent business people.

So you have the grounding, you have the products.

Those are the people that are likely to figure out the next product area because they're technical, because they're in the products.

Mark Zuckerberg is an example of this.

Elon's a great example of this.

And then over time, they learn the business side.

So it's been so fun to work with Ali because he knows more about sales ops and hiring processes and reporting lines and all these things you have to do as a manager than probably any of our CEOs.

Travis at Uber.

So one of the elements of people judgment is what is the right founder for the right market?