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David George

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Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

Lawyers need to reason.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

And it turns out models got really good at reasoning and people use the products a lot more.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

So ease of customer acquisition, the behavior that we observe on customer retention engagement, and then there's gross margins.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

And we give a little bit of a pass on gross margins right now.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

We're in this funny environment where late stage SaaS cloud

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

We would look at a company and it's like, oh man, if you're not 70% plus gross margin, you're not really a SaaS business or cloud business, whatever.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

And that's going to be a knock and people will trade you differently.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

And that's when you get valued as revenue versus gross profit or whatever.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

Now it's like a badge of honor to have low gross margins because we're like, oh, at least people are using your AI products.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

We get these pitches and they're like, I'm an AI thing and I got 75% gross margins.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

I'm like, well, no one's using the AI stuff then.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

That doesn't really seem like an AI product to me.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

So we give a little bit of a pass on that.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

The expectation is the cost is going to continue to go down.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

Just the inference cost.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

Inference cost is going to go down over time.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

I mean, there's so many existential questions about market structure that will predict inference cost, but the history of technology would suggest that it's going to go down over time.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

The cost of inference has gone down at the same time that reasoning happened.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

And so token token usage has gone way up.

Invest Like the Best with Patrick O'Shaughnessy
David George - Building a16z Growth, Investing Across the AI Stack, and Why Markets Misprice Growth - [Invest Like the Best, EP.450]

So you haven't yet seen any improvement in gross margins.