David Grann

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Criminal · Amok · 23 Jan 2026 podcast

The polygrapher thought that at certain points during the polygraph that Christian, who was a scuba diver, might have been using certain breathing exercises.

It's hard to say.

I mean, these polygraphs are notoriously unreliable, and the results were inconclusive in any case.

And in the end, the case seems to be unraveling, and Christian is let go.

And he begins to tell people that he is being investigated and persecuted because of a novel he wrote.

And it creates a sensation.

I mean, human rights organizations start writing letters to the Polish Ministry of Justice, you know, deluging them with letters saying, how can you be doing this?

You're violating his rights.

And let's, you know, I think anyone hearing that someone's being investigated for a novel they wrote would say this is outrageous.

And Jacek always says, I need corroborating evidence.

The novel is a roadmap to a crime.

It is giving us some clues and insights.

He knows it is not evidence.

He cannot present the novel as a piece of evidence in court.

He's trying to use the novel, though, to try to kind of crack the case.

So Jacek then begins to now... Two things happen that are very important evidentiary-wise.

One of the things they try to do is they keep trying to figure out from the payphone.

In those Polish payphones, at the time, you would kind of insert this card, and that would allow you to make the calls.

And with that card, you could then insert it into...

Other pay phones and use it again.

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