David Grinspoon

Okay.

Yeah, that's my main answer to that point that Chris makes.

But, you know, there's other objections like all that acid, you know, could likely really rise in sulfuric acid.

No, I don't mean that kind of acid.

The kind that makes you hear voices.

No, I mean all that sulfuric acid.

But, you know, the more we study life on Earth, the more we find that life thrives in these extreme environments we didn't anticipate.

And and people have been sort of playing around with that chemist, alternative chemistries of life that could possibly survive.

So I think, you know, it's it's just an interesting unknown phenomenon.

And there have been some observations.

Neil, you mentioned the phosphine.

That's controversial.

Did we really see phosphine in the cause of Venus?

Which if we did, it's hard to explain.

So on Earth, it's weird things like rotting fish, you know, and it's like, it smells terrible.

It's just this sort of byproduct of actually kind of decomposing life.

It's, you know, it's a hydrogen-rich molecule.

So it's what we call a reduced molecule, which is common in biological materials, but not common in an atmosphere like Venus that's full of more oxidized and acidic materials.

So

It's not something you'd expect on Venus.