David Haber

Starbucks, too, by the way.

Is that right?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

I mean, a few others.

They weren't all that successful.

That's amazing.

You might be the best retail venture capitalist of all time.

Yeah.

I guess, how did you meet, you know, Jim Senegal and Jeff Brotman?

And then ultimately, like, what did you see in them at that time?

We'll get into it.

I mean, again, the other amazing fact about your, you know, time with Costco is that you've been on the board, I think, 38 years, which is probably one of the longest tenures in American corporate governance that I can think of.

Why, like, what has Costco meant to you, you know, and why have you stayed on the board or, you know, affiliated for so long?

Well, I mean,

I guess, what have you learned from watching Costco grow in terms of, you know, business building or, you know, they're so famous for culture, right?

And how they treat their employees and ultimately the value they deliver back to the end customer by keeping prices low and really making money through the membership more than they do on margin on the products.

But I'm curious if, I mean, the business has grown obviously so much, I mean, from nothing, you know, to what it is today, you know.

Yeah.

I know we originally met, I think, in the context of the Costco board meeting and