David Hoffmann

So less in terms of total expressivity of all the use cases that I thought it might do at one point in time.

But the things that it's doing is to a deeper level and like in a way that seems so full steam ahead and it's accomplishing more.

Like the speed at which it's actually revolutionizing Wall Street and saturating that, like getting the genius bill signed.

These are huge things, milestone moments.

And so at the same time, it's,

It's come farther than I thought it would when I started in crypto, but also just in a more limited set of use cases.

Anyway, let's talk about ZK, David.

So part of maybe why people are bullish Ethereum, as we talked about earlier, is ZK technology.

So tell us about this.

This is ZK Sync.

They're deploying ZK technology in a layer two and unlocking some pretty cool things with...

They call it the Atlas.

That's their name for this network.

The Atlas upgrade, yeah.

Okay, that's an upgrade.

Tell us about this.

This is a demo.

So this is a demo of, I believe what they're trying to do is they're taking out a loan.

They're on a zksync L2, and they're taking out a loan on L1 Aave.

So, interacting directly with L1 Aave in a seamless way without having to bridge over.