David Howell

Yeah.

It's like, I think it's the same in all sports or all games.

uh information's traveled so much quicker and everything's shared nowadays uh so yeah it's not just the fact that kind of the top guys are much stronger than they've ever been but it's also kind of um the tail as well like everyone yeah has access to information and everyone has lessons nowadays there's free YouTube videos you can learn a bunch so uh yeah definitely tougher would you would you consider chess mainstream at this point

I'd like to say yes, but I don't think we're there yet.

I'd like to say yes, but I don't think we're there yet.

It's kind of been my dream.

It's kind of been my dream.

I realized in my late 20s I was never going to be world champion.

I realized in my late 20s I was never going to be world champion.

And I think because chess players were very goal, we're kind of fixated on results.

And I think because chess players were very goal, we're kind of fixated on results.

So my new goal was to make chess more mainstream, to make it more popular.

So my new goal was to make chess more mainstream, to make it more popular.

There's a lot of people.

There's a lot of people who are kind of like-minded now.

with a kind of like-minded now and i think we're trying our best like there are netflix documentaries coming there's movies coming like um stuff is happening but i'm just hoping it's not kind of a temporary thing i'm hoping it's not just this random boom and things disappear but uh mainstream that's the goal long term

I think we're trying our best.

There are Netflix documentaries coming.

There's movies coming.

Stuff is happening, but I'm just hoping it's not kind of a temporary thing.