David Kirtley

And we'd be building enriched uranium power plants because we need the electricity that's clean and baseload.

But in those processes, they'll be making fuel that could be one day used for atomic weapons.

for nuclear weapons, and they were worried that the growth of this enriched uranium, think about the centrifuges, that having a lot more centrifuges happening all over the world would lead to more weapons, at least the possibility of it.

And so they are pushing us as fast as possible, go build fusion generators and get them deployed everywhere, not just in the United States, but all over the world, so that we're building fusion power, and that's meeting humanity's needs, not this other thing.

And so I was really pleasantly surprised.

We've written a number of papers and worked with those communities on this of what does it mean?

How is fusion power safe and can't be used for nuclear weapons?

The question I would want to ask is, what would you do if we could deliver for you low-cost, clean, industrial scale, tens or hundreds of megawatts of fusion power that's low-cost, clean, baseload, and doesn't have the geopolitical consequences of uranium and plutonium, of fissile material?

What would you do there?

How would that change your view of the next 30 years?

I certainly do that.

The fuel is in seawater all over earth.

Everybody has deuterium and everybody has it.

And so you can't have a monopoly on the fuel and no one can control the fuel and no one can turn off the fuel.

No one can cut a pipeline like that just cannot happen with fusion.

And so if we can deploy those plants and we can deploy them quickly, then it, it decouples the ability of anyone or any few countries to control energy.

Yes, fusion power is fundamentally safe.

The physics and the reactions of the fusion system itself means you don't have runaways.

And so we've talked about some of the human factors around power plants and power systems and industrial scale systems.

And that's something that we build into the design of these from today.