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David Kirtley

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

Why don't we squeeze it?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And so rather than just holding it constantly, let's now crush it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

So we built this solenoid, we pinched the ends, and then we crushed it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And what I mean by crushing it is not actually like crushing any magnets or changing the topology or moving any parts, but just rapidly increasing the magnetic field.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And so going from a magnetic field that's just holding it to now taking all those particles, if you imagine they were streaming around together, and then rapidly increasing the magnetic field so that those particles get closer and closer and closer together.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

So you increase the density.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And now fusion starts to really happen.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

But they ended up hitting a technological limit.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

So this is the part that I look back and I look at the pioneers that in 1958, there was some pioneering work done.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And this was in California, what later became Livermore Labs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

There was also some work done at other national labs, too.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

These were all federally funded programs to explore this theta pinch topology.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

Can you just squeeze the plasma down fast enough, hard enough?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

This was 1958.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

The transistor was sitting in the laboratory and they were commuting.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

They were turning on millions of amps of electrical current.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And they were doing it.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

We haven't talked about the timescales, but they were doing it in millionths of a second.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

microseconds, megahertz speeds.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And this was in 1958, no transistor, no CPUs, and no electrical switches, none of the things that I take for granted every day.