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David Kirtley

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Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

So at Helion, we've built seven systems.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

The first six were a series of prototypes that we built end to end that were focused on scaling the process of making these field reverse configurations, compressing them to thermonuclear fusion conditions and demonstrating that you can do fusion and then increasing the scale, increasing the temperature and the energy.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

The very first ones were named after beer.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

Actually, the most successful was the inductive plasmoid accelerator, the IPA.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And it was the first system that showed that the team could make these FRCs and hold on to them and understand some of the stability criteria, the heating criteria.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And then we started increasing the field.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

Now, okay, great, we can hold on to one of these FRCs.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

We know how long, we know how to make them, but now can we squeeze on them and start doing fusion, increasing in pressure and temperature?

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

What we noticed is...

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

you know, machine after machine, we always used Starbucks when we were in Redmond at the time, Redmond, Washington, and, uh, Starbucks cups sitting on top of the machine as the, this is the scale.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

Um, uh, they were too small to have a human really in the picture all the time.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

So the Starbucks cup was enough.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And, uh, and so then we switched to tall grande Venti.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

Um, and then the biggest Trenta was the biggest system that came online in 2020.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

That was a system that showed 100 million degrees and was the first system that did deuterium and helium-3 fusion.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

In fact, as far as we know, the only bulk deuterium-helium-3 fusion that has been done and also showed the 100 million degree fusion temperatures from an FRC.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And throughout that time, the earliest work was government-funded, government grants, SBIRs and other type of government grants.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And actually, the team involved, myself and the rest of the founding team, were really good at winning government programs, doing fundamental science, but moving very quickly.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

And there's a lot of ways to think about how to iterate and how to build quickly.

Lex Fridman Podcast
#485 โ€“ David Kirtley: Nuclear Fusion, Plasma Physics, and the Future of Energy

I want to talk about the teams first, and then we can talk about some of the technology pieces to do that.