David Marchese

If a trade war is going to be so painful for China, potentially, why wouldn't they just be motivated to cut some kind of a deal? Like, even if it's a deal that is really just a victory in name only for President Trump, why would they not be motivated to give that to him?

If a trade war is going to be so painful for China, potentially, why wouldn't they just be motivated to cut some kind of a deal? Like, even if it's a deal that is really just a victory in name only for President Trump, why would they not be motivated to give that to him?

So it really feels like you have two leaders of two of the world's largest economic powers who both feel like they need to project power. They cannot back down. They cannot capitulate. Any deal that they strike would need to save face. And all of that seems like sort of a bad combination from the standpoint of trying to de-escalate and strike some kind of a deal that's productive for both sides.

So it really feels like you have two leaders of two of the world's largest economic powers who both feel like they need to project power. They cannot back down. They cannot capitulate. Any deal that they strike would need to save face. And all of that seems like sort of a bad combination from the standpoint of trying to de-escalate and strike some kind of a deal that's productive for both sides.

So I'm curious, David, what could they do here?

So I'm curious, David, what could they do here?

If both sides don't reach a deal and this whole thing does keep ratcheting up and escalating in the ways that we've already been seeing, what does that look like, just practically speaking, for both China and the United States?

If both sides don't reach a deal and this whole thing does keep ratcheting up and escalating in the ways that we've already been seeing, what does that look like, just practically speaking, for both China and the United States?

This is also interesting because it is so similar to the arguments that Trump has been making. Like both of these leaders feel like what's happening now could be better for each of their countries in the long term after some short term pain, short term pain, long term gain.

This is also interesting because it is so similar to the arguments that Trump has been making. Like both of these leaders feel like what's happening now could be better for each of their countries in the long term after some short term pain, short term pain, long term gain.

David, you've been watching this dynamic between China and the United States for years. And what we've seen in the last few weeks and obviously in the last 24 hours represents just a massive disruption to that relationship. And I'm just curious what you think is the most fundamental shift that all of this represents.

David, you've been watching this dynamic between China and the United States for years. And what we've seen in the last few weeks and obviously in the last 24 hours represents just a massive disruption to that relationship. And I'm just curious what you think is the most fundamental shift that all of this represents.

David, thank you so much.

David, thank you so much.

We'll be right back.

We'll be right back.

From the New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. In Bill Murray's new movie, The Friend, which is based on a great novel by Sigrid Nunez, he plays Walter, Walter's best friends with Iris, played by Naomi Watts. Through a surprising course of events, Iris winds up having to take in Walter's Great Dane.

From the New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. In Bill Murray's new movie, The Friend, which is based on a great novel by Sigrid Nunez, he plays Walter, Walter's best friends with Iris, played by Naomi Watts. Through a surprising course of events, Iris winds up having to take in Walter's Great Dane.

And by the way, Iris lives alone in a modest apartment in Manhattan, so not exactly ideal for a dog the size of a small horse, and not exactly nice of Walter. Like so many of Murray's late career characters, Walter is funny and charismatic, but he's also kind of a jerk. He's resentful and self-centered, and he's caused some real damage.

And by the way, Iris lives alone in a modest apartment in Manhattan, so not exactly ideal for a dog the size of a small horse, and not exactly nice of Walter. Like so many of Murray's late career characters, Walter is funny and charismatic, but he's also kind of a jerk. He's resentful and self-centered, and he's caused some real damage.