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Yeah. Now I would like to sort of wrench the conversation away from heavier topics. I just want you to tell me a really cool scientific fact that you learned about life on Earth while you were researching your next book. Something that gave you some delight.

Yeah. Now I would like to sort of wrench the conversation away from heavier topics. I just want you to tell me a really cool scientific fact that you learned about life on Earth while you were researching your next book. Something that gave you some delight.

That's Ed Yong. His most recent book is An Immense World. A version of that book for young readers will be published on May 13th. And he also has a newsletter called The Ed's Up, which features a lot of his photos of birds. This conversation was produced by Wyatt Orme with help from Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Sophia Landman.

That's Ed Yong. His most recent book is An Immense World. A version of that book for young readers will be published on May 13th. And he also has a newsletter called The Ed's Up, which features a lot of his photos of birds. This conversation was produced by Wyatt Orme with help from Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Sophia Landman.

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That was the plan, but you changed location since we... Oh, that was two days ago with Vice President Vance, yeah.

That was the plan, but you changed location since we... Oh, that was two days ago with Vice President Vance, yeah.

Yeah, I'd never seen anything like it covering five presidents. And I would have to say that two things really jumped out at me. The first was that I think one of the reasons that Trump let this go on was that he thought that having the world's richest man talk about this cost-cutting move gave him some credibility. Huh. Musk or Trump? Who got the credibility?

Yeah, I'd never seen anything like it covering five presidents. And I would have to say that two things really jumped out at me. The first was that I think one of the reasons that Trump let this go on was that he thought that having the world's richest man talk about this cost-cutting move gave him some credibility. Huh. Musk or Trump? Who got the credibility?

That Trump got credibility from having Musk saying, basically, I'm bringing the cost-cutting strategies of X and Tesla and SpaceX and those efficiencies to your government and doing this on a scale that has never been done before. The second part that was fascinating to me was what was missing from it. What was what was missing from it was what is the purpose of having these government agencies?

That Trump got credibility from having Musk saying, basically, I'm bringing the cost-cutting strategies of X and Tesla and SpaceX and those efficiencies to your government and doing this on a scale that has never been done before. The second part that was fascinating to me was what was missing from it. What was what was missing from it was what is the purpose of having these government agencies?

What is the purpose of government? So in describing USAID. Right. Right.

What is the purpose of government? So in describing USAID. Right. Right.

You're right, Michael. There is a sort of Damocles that is hanging over Eric Adams with every decision that he has to make. Every decision about whether to let an ICE raid proceed in his city. every decision about whether or not he is going to oppose the president of the United States on a policy that might affect New York City residents.

You're right, Michael. There is a sort of Damocles that is hanging over Eric Adams with every decision that he has to make. Every decision about whether to let an ICE raid proceed in his city. every decision about whether or not he is going to oppose the president of the United States on a policy that might affect New York City residents.

And with each one of those, he's going to have to say, is it worth it to stand up to this man if he can bring the Justice Department back on me on these cases at any given moment?

And with each one of those, he's going to have to say, is it worth it to stand up to this man if he can bring the Justice Department back on me on these cases at any given moment?