David Marchese

I think it's fair to say that your target audience for the book, and I guess in a way for the school also, it's younger people either early in their career or maybe still in the phase of considering what their career could be. And I did wonder.

Oh, you don't think?

Oh, you don't think?

Have you experienced any profound moral shifts in your life?

Have you experienced any profound moral shifts in your life?

You know, I think undergirding a lot of what we've been talking about is sort of this idea of a shift in cultural values where making money has become increasingly central at the expense of trying to do good in the world or live by greater values. And I think at the same time, there's also a live in the culture movement.

You know, I think undergirding a lot of what we've been talking about is sort of this idea of a shift in cultural values where making money has become increasingly central at the expense of trying to do good in the world or live by greater values. And I think at the same time, there's also a live in the culture movement.

a real sense of burn-it-all-down anger, which is an appealing and seductive feeling. And so that's a bit of a preamble to something that I want to connect to another one of the books you were able to recommend to me, which was the autobiography of the philosopher and the pacifist Bertrand Russell.

a real sense of burn-it-all-down anger, which is an appealing and seductive feeling. And so that's a bit of a preamble to something that I want to connect to another one of the books you were able to recommend to me, which was the autobiography of the philosopher and the pacifist Bertrand Russell.

And in that book, he's writing in the context of public support in Great Britain for World War I. And he says that, I had supposed that most people liked money better than almost anything else. but I discovered that they liked destruction even better. Do you think he was wrong?

And in that book, he's writing in the context of public support in Great Britain for World War I. And he says that, I had supposed that most people liked money better than almost anything else. but I discovered that they liked destruction even better. Do you think he was wrong?

That's Rutger Bregman. His new book is Moral Ambition. Stop wasting your talent and start making a difference. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Sonia Herrero. Original music by Dan Powell, Alicia Paitoup, Leah Shaw-Dameron, and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery.

That's Rutger Bregman. His new book is Moral Ambition. Stop wasting your talent and start making a difference. This conversation was produced by Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon, mixing by Sonia Herrero. Original music by Dan Powell, Alicia Paitoup, Leah Shaw-Dameron, and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery.

Our senior booker is Priya Matthew, and Wyatt Orme is our producer. Our executive producer is Alison Benedict. Special thanks to Rory Walsh, Renan Barelli, Jeffrey Miranda, Maddy Macielo, Jake Silverstein, Paula Schumann, and Sam Dolnik. Thank you.

Our senior booker is Priya Matthew, and Wyatt Orme is our producer. Our executive producer is Alison Benedict. Special thanks to Rory Walsh, Renan Barelli, Jeffrey Miranda, Maddy Macielo, Jake Silverstein, Paula Schumann, and Sam Dolnik. Thank you.

I'm David Marchese, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

I'm David Marchese, and this is The Interview from The New York Times.

From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. In a lot of ways, Ocean Vuong's life makes for a classic American success story. He and his mother came to this country as refugees from Vietnam in 1990, when he was just a small child. They landed in Hartford, Connecticut, and pretty quickly fell into a hardscrabble existence ruled by low-paying work and low expectations.

From The New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. In a lot of ways, Ocean Vuong's life makes for a classic American success story. He and his mother came to this country as refugees from Vietnam in 1990, when he was just a small child. They landed in Hartford, Connecticut, and pretty quickly fell into a hardscrabble existence ruled by low-paying work and low expectations.

Until, that is, Ocean discovered literature and his own gift for writing. Vuong is now one of the country's most esteemed poets, winner of a prestigious MacArthur Fellowship, also known as a Genius Grant, and he's a professor in the creative writing department at New York University.