David Marchese

If both sides don't reach a deal and this whole thing does keep ratcheting up and escalating in the ways that we've already been seeing, what does that look like, just practically speaking, for both China and the United States?

This is also interesting because it is so similar to the arguments that Trump has been making. Like both of these leaders feel like what's happening now could be better for each of their countries in the long term after some short term pain, short term pain, long term gain.

This is also interesting because it is so similar to the arguments that Trump has been making. Like both of these leaders feel like what's happening now could be better for each of their countries in the long term after some short term pain, short term pain, long term gain.

David, you've been watching this dynamic between China and the United States for years. And what we've seen in the last few weeks and obviously in the last 24 hours represents just a massive disruption to that relationship. And I'm just curious what you think is the most fundamental shift that all of this represents.

David, you've been watching this dynamic between China and the United States for years. And what we've seen in the last few weeks and obviously in the last 24 hours represents just a massive disruption to that relationship. And I'm just curious what you think is the most fundamental shift that all of this represents.

David, thank you so much.

David, thank you so much.

We'll be right back.

We'll be right back.

From the New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. In Bill Murray's new movie, The Friend, which is based on a great novel by Sigrid Nunez, he plays Walter, Walter's best friends with Iris, played by Naomi Watts. Through a surprising course of events, Iris winds up having to take in Walter's Great Dane.

From the New York Times, this is The Interview. I'm David Marchese. In Bill Murray's new movie, The Friend, which is based on a great novel by Sigrid Nunez, he plays Walter, Walter's best friends with Iris, played by Naomi Watts. Through a surprising course of events, Iris winds up having to take in Walter's Great Dane.

And by the way, Iris lives alone in a modest apartment in Manhattan, so not exactly ideal for a dog the size of a small horse, and not exactly nice of Walter. Like so many of Murray's late career characters, Walter is funny and charismatic, but he's also kind of a jerk. He's resentful and self-centered, and he's caused some real damage.

And by the way, Iris lives alone in a modest apartment in Manhattan, so not exactly ideal for a dog the size of a small horse, and not exactly nice of Walter. Like so many of Murray's late career characters, Walter is funny and charismatic, but he's also kind of a jerk. He's resentful and self-centered, and he's caused some real damage.

Now, I'm a huge Bill Murray fan, and I sometimes imagine those more recent roles as kind of like alternate world versions of the comedy characters that made him a superstar. Because Peter Venkman in Ghostbusters or Phil Connors in Groundhog Day depict just two examples. They could be selfish and even cruel, but in the end, they always get away with it.

Now, I'm a huge Bill Murray fan, and I sometimes imagine those more recent roles as kind of like alternate world versions of the comedy characters that made him a superstar. Because Peter Venkman in Ghostbusters or Phil Connors in Groundhog Day depict just two examples. They could be selfish and even cruel, but in the end, they always get away with it.

Maybe this is a little too much cosmic thinking on my part, but it's almost as if latter-day Bill Murray characters are suffering the karmic payback owed to his earlier ones. That tension between being beloved and leaving damage behind him is something that's come up in Murray's off-screen life, too.

Maybe this is a little too much cosmic thinking on my part, but it's almost as if latter-day Bill Murray characters are suffering the karmic payback owed to his earlier ones. That tension between being beloved and leaving damage behind him is something that's come up in Murray's off-screen life, too.

Just a few years ago, in 2022, he was alleged to have behaved inappropriately with a female staff member on the set of the film Being Mortal. She said that he straddled her and kissed her through masks, which they were both wearing as part of COVID protocols. The production was shut down, and eventually they reached a settlement.

Just a few years ago, in 2022, he was alleged to have behaved inappropriately with a female staff member on the set of the film Being Mortal. She said that he straddled her and kissed her through masks, which they were both wearing as part of COVID protocols. The production was shut down, and eventually they reached a settlement.

And further back, directors and co-stars like Geena Davis, Lucy Liu, Richard Dreyfuss, and Harold Ramis have said Murray was, to put it lightly, not always the easiest to work with. So how do all these sides of Bill Murray fit together? Well, at a hotel in Manhattan, accompanied by my producer Annabelle and a publicist named Charlie, I got a chance to find out.