David Marchese

What do you mean no one cares?

What do you mean no one cares?

You had said earlier that you financially support nine refugees. These are family members? Family members. I mean, technically, they're Vietnamese refugees.

You had said earlier that you financially support nine refugees. These are family members? Family members. I mean, technically, they're Vietnamese refugees.

Yeah. Are they worried about their status in the country? Are you worried about it?

Yeah. Are they worried about their status in the country? Are you worried about it?

Do you think there's any way in which your awareness of the cruelty that you had inside yourself and your own experience with cruelty gives you any understanding of the strain of our culture currently? in which cruelty seems like it's almost become fashionable. Oh, wow. Or there's almost like a performative cruelty that happens.

Do you think there's any way in which your awareness of the cruelty that you had inside yourself and your own experience with cruelty gives you any understanding of the strain of our culture currently? in which cruelty seems like it's almost become fashionable. Oh, wow. Or there's almost like a performative cruelty that happens.

Which is a form of controlling the situation.

Which is a form of controlling the situation.

I was curious, did you ever get your stolen bike back?

I was curious, did you ever get your stolen bike back?

You brought up the concept of Satori a couple times. Have you had any epiphanic moments of Satori recently?

You brought up the concept of Satori a couple times. Have you had any epiphanic moments of Satori recently?

That's Ocean Vuong. His new book, The Emperor of Gladness, will be published on May 13th. This conversation was produced by Wyatt Orme and Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon. Mixing by Sophia Landman. Original music by Rowan Nemisto and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery. Our senior booker is Priya Matthew. Our executive producer is Allison Benedict.

That's Ocean Vuong. His new book, The Emperor of Gladness, will be published on May 13th. This conversation was produced by Wyatt Orme and Seth Kelly. It was edited by Annabelle Bacon. Mixing by Sophia Landman. Original music by Rowan Nemisto and Marion Lozano. Photography by Philip Montgomery. Our senior booker is Priya Matthew. Our executive producer is Allison Benedict.

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