David McCloskey

But how did you come to find yourselves doing this podcast? Gordon

Very Kingsman.

Very Kingsman.

Very Kingsman.

Because, Gordon, I guess the... The question is, does spying matter? Does it influence history? And for so long, the ability to answer that question has been locked up in archives or governed by the Official Secrets Act. But that's slightly changing, isn't it? And I guess that you and David, of all the people in the world, are the best qualified to tease that question out.

Because, Gordon, I guess the... The question is, does spying matter? Does it influence history? And for so long, the ability to answer that question has been locked up in archives or governed by the Official Secrets Act. But that's slightly changing, isn't it? And I guess that you and David, of all the people in the world, are the best qualified to tease that question out.

Because, Gordon, I guess the... The question is, does spying matter? Does it influence history? And for so long, the ability to answer that question has been locked up in archives or governed by the Official Secrets Act. But that's slightly changing, isn't it? And I guess that you and David, of all the people in the world, are the best qualified to tease that question out.

So you're going to have Alistair Campbell as a guest on your show.

So you're going to have Alistair Campbell as a guest on your show.

So you're going to have Alistair Campbell as a guest on your show.

As touches our own podcast, of course, we all know and love you as a great enthusiast for the role of pigeons in espionage. Can we just end by asking you, is Britain closing the pigeon gap?

As touches our own podcast, of course, we all know and love you as a great enthusiast for the role of pigeons in espionage. Can we just end by asking you, is Britain closing the pigeon gap?

As touches our own podcast, of course, we all know and love you as a great enthusiast for the role of pigeons in espionage. Can we just end by asking you, is Britain closing the pigeon gap?

Maybe the rest is classified could become a great campaigning podcast. Campaigning podcast, yeah.

Maybe the rest is classified could become a great campaigning podcast. Campaigning podcast, yeah.

Maybe the rest is classified could become a great campaigning podcast. Campaigning podcast, yeah.

The day-to-day work of the CIA is breaking foreign laws. It very rarely involves shooting and car crashes and all the stuff you see on TV, but at its most basic level, it's an organization committed to convincing other people to commit treason. All this today on Something You Should Know.

The day-to-day work of the CIA is breaking foreign laws. It very rarely involves shooting and car crashes and all the stuff you see on TV, but at its most basic level, it's an organization committed to convincing other people to commit treason. All this today on Something You Should Know.

The day-to-day work of the CIA is breaking foreign laws. It very rarely involves shooting and car crashes and all the stuff you see on TV, but at its most basic level, it's an organization committed to convincing other people to commit treason. All this today on Something You Should Know.

What is it? I actually think the best way to think about it is to think about the CIA or sort of the work of the CIA as clandestine journalism. So, if you think about the work that an investigative journalist does, you know, they scope out a story, they go and recruit sources who have information, they put the story together with a whole bunch of disparate, you know, sources, facts,