David McCloskey

in some cases, spying on Americans in the 60s, the CIA that was experimenting with psychedelic, you know, drugs on people. Like, this organization doesn't, that organization doesn't exist anymore. That was a far less institutionalized, that was finding its way at the height of the Cold War and essentially operated as the president's black bag outfit.

in some cases, spying on Americans in the 60s, the CIA that was experimenting with psychedelic, you know, drugs on people. Like, this organization doesn't, that organization doesn't exist anymore. That was a far less institutionalized, that was finding its way at the height of the Cold War and essentially operated as the president's black bag outfit.

with sort of a wink and a nod from the president at the time. And it is not how the CIA operates today. When the CIA does something today with... basically no exceptions. It is doing that with the full support and frankly, like formal authority of the president, more so than just the CIA kind of going rogue or anything like that. I think that the mental model of the CIA is some kind of like,

with sort of a wink and a nod from the president at the time. And it is not how the CIA operates today. When the CIA does something today with... basically no exceptions. It is doing that with the full support and frankly, like formal authority of the president, more so than just the CIA kind of going rogue or anything like that. I think that the mental model of the CIA is some kind of like,

with sort of a wink and a nod from the president at the time. And it is not how the CIA operates today. When the CIA does something today with... basically no exceptions. It is doing that with the full support and frankly, like formal authority of the president, more so than just the CIA kind of going rogue or anything like that. I think that the mental model of the CIA is some kind of like,

unconstrained bad actor that does its own thing is just simply false. The CIA operates as part of an interagency process in Washington that's driven by the White House and by the president, and it does the president's bidding. And the president, as an elected official, is entitled to do so. So, I think

unconstrained bad actor that does its own thing is just simply false. The CIA operates as part of an interagency process in Washington that's driven by the White House and by the president, and it does the president's bidding. And the president, as an elected official, is entitled to do so. So, I think

unconstrained bad actor that does its own thing is just simply false. The CIA operates as part of an interagency process in Washington that's driven by the White House and by the president, and it does the president's bidding. And the president, as an elected official, is entitled to do so. So, I think

It's important that we kind of understand the CIA, not as some rogue actor, but as a piece of, you know, sort of the fabric, frankly, of our government and society.

It's important that we kind of understand the CIA, not as some rogue actor, but as a piece of, you know, sort of the fabric, frankly, of our government and society.

It's important that we kind of understand the CIA, not as some rogue actor, but as a piece of, you know, sort of the fabric, frankly, of our government and society.

Look, we talked about the sort of covert action side of things and the paramilitary side of things, and I don't have a... direct number for you. I don't know it. My wager would be that a disproportionate number of the stars on that wall come from that sort of thing. So, it's not just pure information gathering, to be clear.

Look, we talked about the sort of covert action side of things and the paramilitary side of things, and I don't have a... direct number for you. I don't know it. My wager would be that a disproportionate number of the stars on that wall come from that sort of thing. So, it's not just pure information gathering, to be clear.

Look, we talked about the sort of covert action side of things and the paramilitary side of things, and I don't have a... direct number for you. I don't know it. My wager would be that a disproportionate number of the stars on that wall come from that sort of thing. So, it's not just pure information gathering, to be clear.

But in either case, the reason why many of those stars are not named, and by the way, many of them are. I mean, if you go into the original headquarters building lobby and you know there's a book that's actually kind of in a case by that wall, and there are names attached to many of the stars, if not most.

But in either case, the reason why many of those stars are not named, and by the way, many of them are. I mean, if you go into the original headquarters building lobby and you know there's a book that's actually kind of in a case by that wall, and there are names attached to many of the stars, if not most.

But in either case, the reason why many of those stars are not named, and by the way, many of them are. I mean, if you go into the original headquarters building lobby and you know there's a book that's actually kind of in a case by that wall, and there are names attached to many of the stars, if not most.

Some of them do not have names, and the reason for that, although I certainly couldn't speak to whether any of this on an individual basis is still justified, is because the details around that operation, be they sources, be they methods, remain classified, and so the names cannot be made public.

Some of them do not have names, and the reason for that, although I certainly couldn't speak to whether any of this on an individual basis is still justified, is because the details around that operation, be they sources, be they methods, remain classified, and so the names cannot be made public.

Some of them do not have names, and the reason for that, although I certainly couldn't speak to whether any of this on an individual basis is still justified, is because the details around that operation, be they sources, be they methods, remain classified, and so the names cannot be made public.