David McCloskey

And that, unfortunately, dear listeners, was yet another reading from Edward Snowden's memoir, Permanent Record. And we are now, for those who have been listening to this wonderful series about... Edward Snowden.

We are now at a really a critical kind of turning point in this story because Edward Snowden is taking the plunge and he is going to finally reach out to journalists to get his information out to the world. And I think it's probably worth a little bit of How did we get here? Yep. Snowden, up to this point, he's been a CIA officer, technical officer. He's been a contractor for the NSA.

We are now at a really a critical kind of turning point in this story because Edward Snowden is taking the plunge and he is going to finally reach out to journalists to get his information out to the world. And I think it's probably worth a little bit of How did we get here? Yep. Snowden, up to this point, he's been a CIA officer, technical officer. He's been a contractor for the NSA.

We are now at a really a critical kind of turning point in this story because Edward Snowden is taking the plunge and he is going to finally reach out to journalists to get his information out to the world. And I think it's probably worth a little bit of How did we get here? Yep. Snowden, up to this point, he's been a CIA officer, technical officer. He's been a contractor for the NSA.

He has taken really via bulk downloads and some kind of fairly ingenious methods of sneaking information out of his NSA office in Hawaii, this bunker beneath the pineapple field. He's taken out... a trove of about 1.5 million documents, a variety of internal databases. And he's now at a point where he is figuring out how does he get this information out to the world?

He has taken really via bulk downloads and some kind of fairly ingenious methods of sneaking information out of his NSA office in Hawaii, this bunker beneath the pineapple field. He's taken out... a trove of about 1.5 million documents, a variety of internal databases. And he's now at a point where he is figuring out how does he get this information out to the world?

He has taken really via bulk downloads and some kind of fairly ingenious methods of sneaking information out of his NSA office in Hawaii, this bunker beneath the pineapple field. He's taken out... a trove of about 1.5 million documents, a variety of internal databases. And he's now at a point where he is figuring out how does he get this information out to the world?

And a nice little sign of Edward Snowden's subterranean narcissism.

And a nice little sign of Edward Snowden's subterranean narcissism.

And a nice little sign of Edward Snowden's subterranean narcissism.

Well, I mean, honestly, in the documentary about Snowden, Citizen Four, there is a scene where Greenwald and Snowden are sitting together. And Greenwald, I'm actually kind of shocked it was in the documentary because it's just Greenwald for about 60 seconds struggling with technology on his laptop. So he is an ideal character. mouthpiece for Snowden because he is at heart a civil liberties lawyer.

Well, I mean, honestly, in the documentary about Snowden, Citizen Four, there is a scene where Greenwald and Snowden are sitting together. And Greenwald, I'm actually kind of shocked it was in the documentary because it's just Greenwald for about 60 seconds struggling with technology on his laptop. So he is an ideal character. mouthpiece for Snowden because he is at heart a civil liberties lawyer.

Well, I mean, honestly, in the documentary about Snowden, Citizen Four, there is a scene where Greenwald and Snowden are sitting together. And Greenwald, I'm actually kind of shocked it was in the documentary because it's just Greenwald for about 60 seconds struggling with technology on his laptop. So he is an ideal character. mouthpiece for Snowden because he is at heart a civil liberties lawyer.

He's an advocate. He is going to be less skeptical of Snowden than many other journalists, right? But he doesn't know how to use PGP.

He's an advocate. He is going to be less skeptical of Snowden than many other journalists, right? But he doesn't know how to use PGP.

He's an advocate. He is going to be less skeptical of Snowden than many other journalists, right? But he doesn't know how to use PGP.

Is that a normal thing, Gordon, is to have someone who could be legit or could be a total whack job encrypting? Reaching out with some, you know, sort of tantalizing hint that they've got a great story for you. I mean, that must happen some frequency.

Is that a normal thing, Gordon, is to have someone who could be legit or could be a total whack job encrypting? Reaching out with some, you know, sort of tantalizing hint that they've got a great story for you. I mean, that must happen some frequency.

Is that a normal thing, Gordon, is to have someone who could be legit or could be a total whack job encrypting? Reaching out with some, you know, sort of tantalizing hint that they've got a great story for you. I mean, that must happen some frequency.

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