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David McCloskey

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

And as part of their job,

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

they had to commit violent crime against other American citizens.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

And in this case, the direct parallel would be if the FBI

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

had forewarning of this in some cases where you have an American citizen who is going to kill other American citizens and the security service law enforcement actually knows in advance that this is going to happen and decides in some cases not to intervene because of the value that the source is providing or may provide in the future.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

You could make the case that it kind of happened like in the Whitey Bulger case at the FBI where his handlers did know in some cases it seems that he was committing murder.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

And allowed it to happen.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

I think the difference is that in that case, those handlers were effectively corrupted by Whitey Bulger.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

And eventually the end, spoiler alert, there won't be a lot of accountability happening.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

on the part of the British state for what happens with steak knife.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

Whereas in the Whitey Bulger case, he goes to prison and his handlers do as well.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

So there are some key differences.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

But it was interesting because I put the question to a couple –

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

FBI special agents of, you know, would there be an incident where... Because you can get waivers for your confidential informants committing crimes.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

Like, that's a thing you can get.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

You can get that at the CIA if you're running an asset inside a terrorist organization and they're providing material support to that organization.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

Like, there are ways to get things wavered in extenuating circumstances.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

But it was interesting, like, you know, this direct question of would the FBI allow a confidential informant to commit murder?

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

I couldn't, I honestly couldn't get a clear answer.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

Now, small sample size, I think it'd be an absolutely extreme case.

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151. Britain’s Man Inside the IRA: From Spy to Executioner (Ep 3)

And there is a process, which is different from the snake knife one, but that's kind of the, that'd be the American frame for this today.